Huh? The one I said.
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I actually don't think they want real power. Not the job of PM. Farage wouldn't last five minutes if he got to number 10. What they want imo is control at the local level.
And to stay in the EU because that way their MEP's can continue to campaign for their position (snouts in the trough) to fight to get out of the EU while being paid lots of money/expenses ni the process.
It's a massive sham.
Well I hope they don't get it.
If you had told me five years ago where UKIP would be today I would have said, no way.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I see no interpretation.
Explanation. Sorry.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You didn't offer an interpretation of anything as far as i can see.
Yeah, as in no, I suggested an explanation.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where? I see no explanation either.
They have one MP who was the incumbent MP anyway that people voted for because he is the incumbent MP. The only reason there was an election was because he changed his tie. It's utterly tosh.Well I hope they don't get it.
If you had told me five years ago where UKIP would be today I would have said, no way.
They diosgust me and i don't want them having any power, but actual national governance? Farage wouldn't last five minutes on the world's stage. The problem is getting them out of their parochial local holdfasts where they influence local issues and hold back community development and cohesion through their divisive bullshit.
I doubt the likes of that fatheaded credit card waving economically illiterate twat, Nuttall, would have a clue how to govern a national administration. The guy is an embarassment. The rest of them are no better, and seem to spend their time embarassing themselves on twitter.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I think a handful of MPs will provide them with more than enough rope to hang themselves with. I don't see them as much of a threat in themselves, but unfortunately the other parties do and they're shifting all their policies and rhetoric rightwards in response to that.
That's democracy for you, everyone ends up chasing the floating voters and the rest of us get ignored.
Maybe the Nazis rose to power because by the time they had enough power for people to realise what they were really like, they had too much momentum to be stopped.
How is that not an explanation for, how does a country end up tolerating a government who send people to death camps?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Forget it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Of course there isn't. It's either at the beginning of this thread, or on one of the past QT threads that I mentioned that QT isn't about "decent debate", it's about "politics as spectacle". It's a simulacrum of politics designed to appease those who cleave to mainstream party politics. In the most basic meaning of the word, it is a "show".
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
plus the audience is stuffed with carefully screened bellends. Last time I watched it someone from a libertarian right party was in the audience asking a loaded question, no more of that thanks. I'd rather sit clicking 'random article' on wikipedia for a solid hour.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's frankly a piss-poor interpretation of how the Nazis rose to power which puts the onus on the electorate, rather than on the machinations of the likes of von Papen and other members of Germany's establishment, or the cowardly timidity of the SPD and most of the other mainstream political parties under Weimar.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Read some history, especially about the seizure of power that took place in '33. That way, you'll see why your "explanation" explains nothing.
Do you generally think electorates and ordinary people in general don't have any power or was it something particular about Germany in the run up to the Second World War?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Germany had particular circumstances (the left was split into two main blocs that wouldn't co-operate. Simply stated, the SPD - the social democrats - had done to the KPD (the Communist party) everything from assassinating members, to grassing them, to having the party declared illegal etc etc. Historians (and Trots) always bemoan the fact that the SPD and KPD didn't form a united front against Nazism, but it wasn't on the cards. The KPD had been betrayed too many times by the SPD to put any trust in their promises.
As for electorates and people in general, power depends on how much your nation's constitution grants you. Here in the UK it grants us the sum of a right to vote in local, General and European elections. It grants us no power of recall, or any mechanism for The People to enforce their will on their chosen representatives (MPs, in other words). Other polities are granted that power, and the national politics of those states tends to reflect the fact that elected representatives need to keep the electorate onside. Here it's just a splurge of concern every four to five years, and that's your lot - they'll represent their party interest in Parliament, not yours or mine.
There was a segment on it on Politics Europe on Sunday. UKIP bod is against it because it should be negotiated by the UK not Brussels and they really really love the NHS. If someone asked a question about it repeatedly mentioning UKIP it my get on.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yes I'm sure they would gladly relinquish their political influence and expense accounts the very second their goal was achieved.
Farage is contesting a seat in Westminster at the next election, so he'll still be on the gravy train if he wins.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The "withering away" of the party.
I'll believe it when I see it. Probably not even then.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I've been under the impression that however much UKIP started out as the party against the EU it is now being used to shore up the right vote as the Tory Party continues its decades long decline. Expect to see a Tory Party in power with a UKIP junior partner shoring them up if this continues. Not in 2015 but maybe in 2020 or 2025.
butchersapron
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What does shore up the right vote mean? Used by who? What are the forces in play?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Newby attempts to express opinion!! Uh ho!!
I'll scuttle back under my rock I think....butchersapron
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You're not a newby. I'm not having a go - what did you mean. That's all. If you meant to use another term then fine, let's have it and see where we go from there.Newby attempts to express opinion!! Uh ho!!
For a party in decline they don't seem to be doing badly
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