Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[HoratioCuthbert]

Are you sure?

Yeah.

 

[TopCat]

Yeah.

What makes you sure?

 

[not-bono-ever]

He named 2 of his kids Prince.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

What makes you sure?

I believe his accusers, and worked forwards from there.

 

[Spymaster]

It worked for Michael Jackson, more than once. You don't have to everyone on your side, lots will do.

Even some

 

[1927]

Are you sure?

Its not in doubt surely.

 

[MickiQ]

Our Head of State has substantial "private" reserves salted away a few million spent to save a favourite son could easily be found

She's got hundreds of millions, I'm sure she can bail HWCS out. The question is whether she will. Whilst she is his mum after all, Brenda and her advisors may very well care more about how this reflects on the Royal Brood as a whole rather than bailing out HWCS. The nightmare scenario for him which may very well have him waking up in a cold non-sweat is the possibility that Brenda pops her clogs pre-trial. I don't think his brother will be anywhere near as sympathetic.

 

[TopCat]

She's got hundreds of millions, I'm sure she can bail HWCS out. The question is whether she will. Whilst she is his mum after all, Brenda and her advisors may very well care more about how this reflects on the Royal Brood as a whole rather than bailing out HWCS. The nightmare scenario for him which may very well have him waking up in a cold non-sweat is the possibility that Brenda pops her clogs pre-trial. I don't think his brother will be anywhere near as sympathetic.

History shows us no act is too low or venal for the royal family to not consider doing it to prop up their shabby institution.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

They will protect themselves first however will do all they can for those in the club.

 

[brogdale]

New Royal portrait:

 

[seeformiles]

Prince Andrew to give evidence in deposition in March

The Duke of York will face a deposition in London as part of the civil sexual assault case against him.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[tim]

Prince Andrew to give evidence in deposition in March

The Duke of York will face a deposition in London as part of the civil sexual assault case against him.

www.bbc.co.uk

In an ideal world they'd depose his mum too

 

[Pickman's model]

In an ideal world they'd depose his mum too

the americans can't do everything, some things we have to do for ourselves

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Also there are many, many things about the Epstein cult / abuse pyramid that I do not know about
I am not claiming to know everything of course, just expressing curiosity about many things that, certainly amongst activists against the Qanon and anti-vaxx debunking communities have generated immense curiosity

All I have time for right now

Ah, right, someone who hangs out in the conspiracy corners of the internet. Definitely credible.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

it really depends upon which survivor you give more credence to

According to Ms Andriano, Ms Giuffre didn’t appear upset over her claim she slept with Andrew.

In fact, she stated, “she thought it was pretty cool” and “couldn’t believe that she got to sleep with Prince Andrew”.

She added: “I don’t think she deserves any compensation.

“I don’t think she was coerced into doing anything.”

Ms Andriano said she believed Ms Giuffre deserves the same treatment as Maxwell since she “trafficked” her into a “world of spiralling downward slopes”.

At the time she was recruited Ms Andriano said Ms Giuffre, 38, gave her a revealing top and a pair of “tight skimpy shorts” and told her “whatever you do, don’t say your age”.

She says she then went to Epstein’s home in Palm Beach, Florida, where she watched Ms Giuffre massage him and have sex with him before Maxwell took her phone number and gave her $300.

In seeking to turn the tables on Ms Giuffre, the Duke’s US lawyer Andrew Brettler claims she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

The court papers quote Crystal Figueroa, the sister of one of Giuffre’s ex-boyfriends, who claims Andrew’s accuser asked her for help.

Crystal said: “[Giuffre] would say to me, ‘Do you know any girls who are kind of slutty?’”

The Duke has consistently and vehemently denied all of the claims made by Ms Giuffre.

Prince Andrew’s lawyers believe Ghislaine Maxwell victim could 'help clear him'

The Duke of York’s legal team believe Carolyn Andriano may hold crucial evidence that could bolster Andrew’s bid to have the case against him thrown out

www.mirror.co.uk

So someone groomed into sexual servitude normalises that kind of behaviour, because she's been groomed to go along with and participate in it, because that's how grooming works... who then achieves some kind of seniority due to a twisted kind of length of service and experience of being abused scenario, and who then, in turn, allegedly recruits and grooms others.

If Guiffre did go onto recruit and groom others, perpetuating a cycle of abuse, she's still a victim/survivor of trafficking and sexual abuse. The original grooming and abuse and trafficking she fell victim too wouldn't be negated by what occurred later. In fact it's arguable that that was part of and an extension of the original abuse and grooming. All things being equal, would she have recruited and groomed others, as alleged, if she hadn't been recruited and groomed by Epstein and Maxwell and subjected to the same herself in the first instance?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Perhaps I worded my post badly. Am running late.
The thing is that VG has been included in various documentaries and news articles about the Epstein / Maxwell / Prince Andrew case
In some she is seen standing alongside other survivors presenting a united front against abusers
However things are complex. A very credible survivor has made very serious allegations about VG. Not all Epstein survivors view VG in the same way
Of course things are immensely complex, not least of all because this horrific abusive MLM cult had at its centre the exploitation of victims by coercing them into recruiting others. Many cults and trafficking networks operate in the same way.
I do not know the truth
I do not know who is innocent and who is guilty
However posters here seem to be of the opinion that we must all believe everything that VG says and that to do otherwise is victim smearing / victim blaming
My point is that, when someone is both very obviously a victim / survivor but has also been involved as a recruiter into a sex trafficking network we should proceed with extreme caution. That caution should be further informed by the variety of actors linked to Qanon / Carl Beech who are becoming involved with this case.

You're not doing your arguments any favours by mentioning QAnon.

 

[Raheem]

You're also not doing Qanon any favours by mentioning them in your arguments.

 

[tim]

You're not doing your arguments any favours by mentioning QAnon.

QAnon are not being done any favours by being mentioned by justin credible

 

[equationgirl]

QAnon are not being done any favours by being mentioned by justin credible

That's not very kind.

 

[Pickman's model]

andrew and fergie captions pls

 

[danski]

“Do you think this one can dig you any deeper, Andy?”

 

[DaveCinzano]

“Do you think this one can dig you any deeper, Andy?”

'No sweat'

 

[Raheem]

"I don't understand why they're shouting that, Andrew. It's yellow, not gold."

 

[LDC]

"Are you absolutely sure this is the best place to hide the bodies?"

 

[surreybrowncap]

“Some sort of pizza restaurant to be built here apparently….”

 

[krtek a houby]

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"And this is where one's reputation shall be buried"

 

[JimW]

When I said "back, ho" Andrew, I was telling you to stay away from me.

 

[danny la rouge]

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Parasites.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Parasites.

That's just metadata