(Prepare for) A Mighty Upsurge
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if you are in Lisbon you can photo the commie graffitti on the Metropolitano de Lisboa stations.
that could while away some time inbetween dying of sunstroke and looking at the statues of things
that could while away some time inbetween dying of sunstroke and looking at the statues of things
Breaking news: Small political party accused of having "unrealistically optimistic" propaganda. Masses enraged etc
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
brother mine was on the phone yesterday asking me (cos I'm his go-to-guy for politics) about why come the Labour Party are just the same as the tories, saying the same things. He was after ammunition to throw at the tory guitarist in his band.
I started with the line that 'when the labour party expelled militant they divested themselves finally of the lingering shadow of a socialist party. As a working mans representative it goes deeper and was poisoned in its formation by fabians and similar interests who ultimately feared a real working class led party'
and yes I do speak like that when I get my lecturing tone on.
However, I think I was selling him the short version. He cut me off when I got to kinnock etc and wanted to discuss mothers day and what we are going to do about it.
need a potted history really.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Mothers day is a nightmare as well, what can I buy the cow? Another kitchen widget?!
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You clearly aren't familiar with the cockney rebel measurement of party size are you?
ridicule away, the really sad thing for me is that type of unblinking faith in the prospects for the new year is part of the charm of the organisation. It's gone full circle. I used to hate all that, then I used to laugh at it, then ironically play on it, and now I've made myself like it in some perverted way. Honestly I'd be very sad if I saw the SP start moving away from it's unique blend of fossilised trotskyism, if they stopped demanding the TUC name the day suddenly and maybe nationalisation on the basis of proven need and all that, that's the best bit. Can you imagine anything worse than an intersectional Socialist party?
Imagine how gutted you'd be if the other Socialist Party (of Great Britain) suddenly decided to be all dynamic and forward thinking and stopping people taking the entry test. My god!
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
buy her something that will get used once and then put way never again to see the light of day until its flogged at a car booty..
thats traditional
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its not totally hopeless either, plenty of apolitical getting-on-with-life mates have thrown the odd 'yeah well labours just like the rest of them'
which is true. But also shows that they have some inkling of a time when it was genuine opposition.
scant hope lol and even that articulated through 'what my dad used to vote for'
but it shows that people aren't dead to an alternative
which is true. But also shows that they have some inkling of a time when it was genuine opposition.
scant hope lol and even that articulated through 'what my dad used to vote for'
but it shows that people aren't dead to an alternative
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
The Bloco de Esquerda must surely be some of the more successful Trots in Europe?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What's the definition of successful trot ?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The BE was originally a coalition of Trotskyists and Maoists. At a leadership level it is now probably best understood as left social democratic, although there are still Trotskyists in it.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Course not, voting TUSC is the equivalent of taking control of the means of production.Just read the socialist party document again, in it they describe the fact people aren't voting as a voter's strike, does this mean by supporting tusc they're encouraging scabbing?
BK Double Stack
Reconstructed Marcyite
Belboid: actually your stupid uninformed and repeated take on S Africa is more outlandish than others have pointed out. The CWI section there is at the center of a new party along with miners that will likely get people elected in the May vote. We were heavily involved in the wave of miners' strikes etc. Even just reading the mainstream S African press you would've known that. So, your attack is beyond ludicrous.
As for us in the US, we aren't officially a section of the CWI due to legal reasons. So, we have to use other language. Are you aware of the differences between US Greens and ones in England? Do you know we've never had a workers' party here? Do you know anything about the Greens in the US? The mass anti-eviction struggle led by Greens in Richmond, CA? The socialist candidate they ran for President? Howie Hawkins, Teamster activist, they ran in New York? The fact that they endorse all SA candidates? My guess, based on your S Africa nonsense, is that you don't know shit. Your threats to go on and on about the US I'm sure are backed up by lots of knowledge. (sarcasm)
In short, you're an asshole. Hope this helps!
As for us in the US, we aren't officially a section of the CWI due to legal reasons. So, we have to use other language. Are you aware of the differences between US Greens and ones in England? Do you know we've never had a workers' party here? Do you know anything about the Greens in the US? The mass anti-eviction struggle led by Greens in Richmond, CA? The socialist candidate they ran for President? Howie Hawkins, Teamster activist, they ran in New York? The fact that they endorse all SA candidates? My guess, based on your S Africa nonsense, is that you don't know shit. Your threats to go on and on about the US I'm sure are backed up by lots of knowledge. (sarcasm)
In short, you're an asshole. Hope this helps!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
BK Double Stack I never knew you weren't a section of the CWI 
I'm sure that at socialism, CWI conferences etc that I went to you were described as that, and on the CWI website?
i'm not trying to be a dick or anything but i've never heard that before unless it's a situation that came about since I left?
I'm sure that at socialism, CWI conferences etc that I went to you were described as that, and on the CWI website? i'm not trying to be a dick or anything but i've never heard that before unless it's a situation that came about since I left?
dennisr
the acceptable face
"due to legal reasons"
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
BK Double Stack I never knew you weren't a section of the CWI
i'm not trying to be a dick or anything but i've never heard that before unless it's a situation that came about since I left?
All US affiliates of international organisations are described as "sympathising sections", "in sympathy with" or some other form of words which avoids implying actual membership. It stems from old anti-communist statutes, which make it illegal to be in an international party. This is a technicality that applies to all political groups, not just the CWI and not just socialists either.
Nothing new or interesting there. Sorry to disappoint!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Oh OK, cheers! I suppose that in countries like China there must be similar wording to get around repressive laws.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
And the US Greens are different to the English or Irish Greens in quite a few important ways, basically because of (a) the chaotic and non-membership nature of US "parties" and (b) the Greens having spent a period (now I would suggest largely over) as the place where pretty much everyone to the left of the Democrats and interested in electoral politics clustered together and did their own thing under the "Green" label (see under "chaotic" above).
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