WouldBe
Dislicksick
Not sure that's a good idea. There was a doctor on the news yesterday saying the virus could spread from the ward into the corridor adjacent.
PPE is still a frigging joke in this country.
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weltweit
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JLR produces protective face visors for frontline NHS staff
And the critical bit:
And the critical bit:
from 03/04/2020 JLR produces protective face visors for frontline NHS staff | The Engineer
Not sure that's a good idea. There was a doctor on the news yesterday saying the virus could spread from the ward into the corridor adjacent.
There is no way of cohorting the patients as it is so widespread. And in places that tried (we tried early in the pandemic), there is risk to porters moving patient, those they pass etc). And quickly you find it spreading within a ward anyway (pt -> staff -> pt).
So, no, it isn't ideal.
weltweit
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I heard an academic (I think) saying that he thought the Nightingale hospitals would have best been used for non covid patients and non covid recuperation, leaving main hospitals as wholly covid environments in which everyone would know the environment they were in and therefore the precautions they had to take. I don't know how practical that would have been?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
I'd have thought the other way round would be better.
NHS hospitals accused of risking staff lives by forgoing mask fit-tests
Doctors and nurses treating coronavirus patients told to do simple PPE checks themselves
elbows
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weltweit
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3D printing network produces headbands and face-shields
So yet another visor that can be reused.
from 15/04/2020 3D printing network produces headbands and face-shields | The Engineer
So yet another visor that can be reused.
elbows
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Coronavirus: PPE provision a ‘huge challenge' says Matt Hancock
The health secretary told MPs on Friday that were was very high demand for supplies globally.
www.bbc.co.uk
Aladdin
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I bought 10 visors on amazon.de for my brother and his colleagues. I could only get 10. Paid €100 for them. Thick plastic and I would say they'll be used repeatedly and wiped down with disinfectant. I hope they're as sturdy as they seem. I hope they protect him and his colleagues.
He is currently wearing one ppf3 mask with a surgical mask over it. He puts on a new surgical mask for each new patient. He's in the AMU this week which has become the A&E as the hospital has become a dedicated covid19 hospital. People are not going to hospital unless very ill. And he's take has been mostly stroke / tia and heart attacks but there have been covid19 patients getting into the AMU. They arrive with symptoms and illness that are nothing to do with covid19 but happen to have it. I asked him if they get patients to wear masks and he said no...not unless they're suspected covid.
He bought his own scrubs about 2 weeks ago. The hospital is not providing scrubs. He removes them after his shift and brings them home in a paper bag. Leaves them 3 days and then washes them. He has 5 sets. 1 per day. Short sleeved ones.
Gloves only cover his hands.
Spoke with him last evening on facetime. He was coughing into his elbow ... with nobody there.
He puts on a brave face and cracks jokes trying to make us laugh but there was dead silence after he coughed
I watch the news and the bs about all the ppe bought in from China and how 20% of it was still not usable. How more is on the way. I read that NI sent £350000 worth of PPE to England because they want to support them and then I read that the hospitals in NI are short and the hospitals just across the border are short. No such thing as helping their actual real close neighbours. I see the republic helped out in NI a few weeks ago. Obviously politics in NI is more important than saving an Irish nurse or doctor.
Getting to the stage where it's not a case of "if" frontline healthcare personnel get the virus. Its "when". And then its about how sick they become.
I cannot get my head around the fact that 25% of hospitalised
cases in Ireland are medical staff. This is appalling. Terrifying. It's more than a disgrace. People will blame politicians. But it has to be said that Hospital management groups and managers yes I mean individuals, are not doing enough to protect their staff. And unions are not making enough noise.
The old nugget that nurses and drs have a vocation is not on. They should be able to work in a safe environment as possible.
He is currently wearing one ppf3 mask with a surgical mask over it. He puts on a new surgical mask for each new patient. He's in the AMU this week which has become the A&E as the hospital has become a dedicated covid19 hospital. People are not going to hospital unless very ill. And he's take has been mostly stroke / tia and heart attacks but there have been covid19 patients getting into the AMU. They arrive with symptoms and illness that are nothing to do with covid19 but happen to have it. I asked him if they get patients to wear masks and he said no...not unless they're suspected covid.
He bought his own scrubs about 2 weeks ago. The hospital is not providing scrubs. He removes them after his shift and brings them home in a paper bag. Leaves them 3 days and then washes them. He has 5 sets. 1 per day. Short sleeved ones.
Gloves only cover his hands.
Spoke with him last evening on facetime. He was coughing into his elbow ... with nobody there.
He puts on a brave face and cracks jokes trying to make us laugh but there was dead silence after he coughed
I watch the news and the bs about all the ppe bought in from China and how 20% of it was still not usable. How more is on the way. I read that NI sent £350000 worth of PPE to England because they want to support them and then I read that the hospitals in NI are short and the hospitals just across the border are short. No such thing as helping their actual real close neighbours. I see the republic helped out in NI a few weeks ago. Obviously politics in NI is more important than saving an Irish nurse or doctor.
Getting to the stage where it's not a case of "if" frontline healthcare personnel get the virus. Its "when". And then its about how sick they become.
I cannot get my head around the fact that 25% of hospitalised
cases in Ireland are medical staff. This is appalling. Terrifying. It's more than a disgrace. People will blame politicians. But it has to be said that Hospital management groups and managers yes I mean individuals, are not doing enough to protect their staff. And unions are not making enough noise.
The old nugget that nurses and drs have a vocation is not on. They should be able to work in a safe environment as possible.
elbows
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This story has already been posted on another thread but I think it belong here too, since supply of gowns has clearly reached a critical low.
www.theguardian.com
NHS staff told 'wear aprons' as protective gowns run out
Exclusive: U-turn on original guidelines of full-length waterproof gear for high-risk procedures
elbows
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Coronavirus: PPE provision a ‘huge challenge' says Matt Hancock
The health secretary told MPs on Friday that were was very high demand for supplies globally.www.bbc.co.uk
BBC messed up detail of who the person was:
BBC correction on Burberry coronavirus plea
An article about PPE for health workers mistakenly attributed a claim to the boss of an NHS trust.
www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
And the gown situation has been obvious even to the public via the media since at least Monday. eg a BBC story I posted on this thread on Monday:
Coronavirus: Gown supply 'critically low' in some hospitals
It comes as the number of coronavirus deaths in UK hospitals rises to 11,329 - up by 717 since Sunday.
www.bbc.co.uk
And what does it say Hancock said about this last Sunday?
weltweit - there’s this Guardian article I linked to on the UK thread:
www.theguardian.com
Government 'ignores' UK textiles firms desperate to make PPE
Too much emphasis placed on brand names to help during coronavirus crisis, say industry sources
weltweit
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Aha, yes I commented on that I believe.
Shortsighted not to use UK resources to provide PPE, I know gloves are a specialism which requires machines and tooling, but even that could be overcome, 3M makes masks and the US has been trying to commandeer all their output, I don't know how fast other makers could be brought on board. Gowns I think could be made in the UK and certainly visors are being made in the UK now, many of which are sterelisable and recyclable.
I don't know the processes required to make surgical masks.
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
I bought 10 visors on amazon.de for my brother and his colleagues. I could only get 10. Paid €100 for them. Thick plastic and I would say they'll be used repeatedly and wiped down with disinfectant. I hope they're as sturdy as they seem. I hope they protect him and his colleagues.
He is currently wearing one ppf3 mask with a surgical mask over it. He puts on a new surgical mask for each new patient. He's in the AMU this week which has become the A&E as the hospital has become a dedicated covid19 hospital. People are not going to hospital unless very ill. And he's take has been mostly stroke / tia and heart attacks but there have been covid19 patients getting into the AMU. They arrive with symptoms and illness that are nothing to do with covid19 but happen to have it. I asked him if they get patients to wear masks and he said no...not unless they're suspected covid.
He bought his own scrubs about 2 weeks ago. The hospital is not providing scrubs. He removes them after his shift and brings them home in a paper bag. Leaves them 3 days and then washes them. He has 5 sets. 1 per day. Short sleeved ones.
Gloves only cover his hands.
Spoke with him last evening on facetime. He was coughing into his elbow ... with nobody there.
He puts on a brave face and cracks jokes trying to make us laugh but there was dead silence after he coughed
I watch the news and the bs about all the ppe bought in from China and how 20% of it was still not usable. How more is on the way. I read that NI sent £350000 worth of PPE to England because they want to support them and then I read that the hospitals in NI are short and the hospitals just across the border are short. No such thing as helping their actual real close neighbours. I see the republic helped out in NI a few weeks ago. Obviously politics in NI is more important than saving an Irish nurse or doctor.
Getting to the stage where it's not a case of "if" frontline healthcare personnel get the virus. Its "when". And then its about how sick they become.
I cannot get my head around the fact that 25% of hospitalised
cases in Ireland are medical staff. This is appalling. Terrifying. It's more than a disgrace. People will blame politicians. But it has to be said that Hospital management groups and managers yes I mean individuals, are not doing enough to protect their staff. And unions are not making enough noise.
The old nugget that nurses and drs have a vocation is not on. They should be able to work in a safe environment as possible.
Please tell your bro to put his scrubs at the end of his shift in a pillow case and then immediately shove the pillow case with the scrubs inside into the washer as soon as he gets home. Wash at 60 degrees. Is he washing himself before leaving the hospital? Imo I think leaving dirty scrubs dirty for 3 days is a bad idea.
ETA or if he takes a pink/red algenate laundry bag and puts his scrubs in there and puts that in the wash-the bag melts and is designed for infected linen to be able to he washed without causing contamination.
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Treacle Toes
Time
Half of nursing staff under pressure to work without PPE, reveals RCN
Staff are being asked to re-use items of personal protective equipment (PPE) that are marked ‘single use’ by manufacturers.
nursingnotes.co.uk
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
At my trust all patients are given FRSM (fluid resistant surgical masks) before and after any procedures. This is to protect them from staff as well as staff from patients.
I reported a staff member yesterday for not wearing ppe when around a patient and touching the patient and then not washing hands
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
this seems to be the right thread to ask on - is this genuinely needed and helpful and ongoing? i don't facebook so can't access prolly the most appropriate info. but i've seen the list of accepting hosps and one is local. will do some searching but if anyone has any links re materials, patterns etc? should i take it to the crafty thread?
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
For my fit test I was attached to a machine and had to go through several stages of testing while moving around. For example talking while walking back and forth and moving my head and bending down.NHS hospitals accused of risking staff lives by forgoing mask fit-tests
Doctors and nurses treating coronavirus patients told to do simple PPE checks themselves
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
There seem to be quite a few groups nationwide making scrubs so I'm sure it's not hard to find a pattern. Material needs to wash at 60 at least degrees and not be made of material that is very absorbent or makes you sweat and is hard wearing.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
no local group i can find, and as a facebook lepper i can't even tag on as a straggler. need an overlocker for actual scrubs but not for scrub bags. will try to find if anyone/where local might take some later.
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