Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development

[Pop Tart]

One of the biggest differences it looks to me is that they do not seems to have planted on the roof spaces which is a shame - it would make a big difference I think. In the winter I noticed a couple of the units had leaking roofs (leaking steel boxes - go figure!). I wonder if that has anything to do with why the roofs have not been planted?

 

[teuchter]

One of the biggest differences it looks to me is that they do not seems to have planted on the roof spaces which is a shame - it would make a big difference I think. In the winter I noticed a couple of the units had leaking roofs (leaking steel boxes - go figure!). I wonder if that has anything to do with why the roofs have not been planted?

Probably got quite a lot to do with the fact that on a birds-eye view drawing you can see all the roof surfaces but in real life you can't.

 

[Pop Tart]

Probably got quite a lot to do with the fact that on a birds-eye view drawing you can see all the roof surfaces but in real life you can't.

Yes but theyve not planted them up anyway i dont think.

 

[editor]

Yes but theyve not planted them up anyway i dont think.

The promise:

The reality:

 

[Nanker Phelge]

The promise:

The reality:

Those two green things that pass for trees are sort of in the right place....

 

[editor]

Those two green things that pass for trees are sort of in the right place....

That's actually an older shot - most of the space is now taken over by benches and tables for DRINKING pricey beer rather than the odd chairs and tables scattered around in the original view. And of course, bicycles aren't allowed.

Here's a recent pic.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

"Pop Brixton was created to become a positive asset for the local community. Our objectives are to champion local enterprise, inspire creativity and help the local community by providing space, support and time."

 

[editor]

"Pop Brixton was created to become a positive asset for the local community. Our objectives are to champion local enterprise, inspire creativity and help the local community by providing space, support and time."

I was talking to the people from the EBS last night. Very interesting discussion. They're good people who had a lot to offer the community, but instead we got The Collective Shoreditch property developers to be partners. No need to consult with anyone in the community about that decision either, naturally.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I was talking to the people from the EBS last night. Very interesting discussion. They're good people who had a lot to offer the community, but instead we got The Collective Shoreditch property developers to be partners. No need to consult with anyone in the community about that decision either, naturally.

That quote is taken directly off the Pop website....

 

[SpamMisery]

The promise:

The reality:

They accurately predicted everyone would be white

 

[leanderman]

I thought that the original grow concept before the split already involved multi story shipping containers and commercial units like shops and restuarants and offices and a big stage area too?

edit - OK someone else has already answered that!

Yep. The current set-up is very much as envisaged in that article about Edible Bus Stop.

Shops and restaurants around a hub where people can learn skills such as music (covered by Reprezent youth radio), cooking (the restaurants again) and construction (apprentices were used in the set-up).

The question is whether or not there is enough horticulture.

 

[editor]

That quote is taken directly off the Pop website....

I'm struggling to see what your point is. We were promised a very different project to what we have got. I feel cheated because I enthusiastically supported the original project and perhaps helped in some very small way to it getting planning permission.

Even though some people here seem strangely unable to see the obvious differences from what was promised and what we got, there is no fucking way on earth I would have endorsed a project that involved people like The Collective getting their paws on the place.

It was supposed to be for "all the community" but in fact it's mainly targeted at the slimmest, slenderest demographic you could imagine.

 

[editor]

Yep. The current set-up is very much as envisaged in that article about Edible Bus Stop.

I was talking to them last night and can tell you with absolute authority that you are talking utter bollocks. Have you spoken to them yourself? Did you go to the open day before work started on the site?

 

[teuchter]

Yes but theyve not planted them up anyway i dont think.

I know. What I mean is it makes the drawing look nice but in reality it would be a bit of a waste of time (there are benefits to green roofs other than visual ones but they don't really make sense on a steel shipping container in a temporary installation). Better to put the greenery at ground level where people can see it.

 

[Pop Tart]

They do free gardening lessons twice a week. I have not been though as I am lucky enough to have my own garden. If the roof was covered with plants I think it would make a huge difference to this picture. I wish they would do that. That is wehere most of the green was in the pictures. I like the way they can move everything around.

 

[teuchter]

Anyway, the important thing is that we keep on developing the sophistication of the discussion on this thread by basing arguments on sunny sketchy promo images of the proposal and rainy-day photos of the built version rather than the objective detail of the original proposal and a full overview of what's there now.

 

[teuchter]

They do free gardening lessons twice a week. I have not been though as I am lucky enough to have my own garden. If the roof was covered with plants I think it would make a huge difference to this picture. I wish they would do that. That is wehere most of the green was in the pictures. I like the way they can move everything around.

You're right, it probably would look good on those stepped ones, the lower ones at least.

 

[Pop Tart]

You're right, it probably would look good on those stepped ones, the lower ones at least.

Yes! - and that was one of the leaky roofs!! (The bar). But it would be much better.

 

[editor]

They do free gardening lessons twice a week.

Not quite on a par with the "series of polytunnels housing a kitchen and eating area while creating a space for growing plants and vegetables" that was promised.

"Grow: Brixton bid aims to, “bring together the local residents of Brixton through performance, making and growing."

.. should be..

Pop Brixton aims to bring together the local residents of Brixton through drinking expensive beer and dancing to DJs and paying through the nose for a corporate cinema and unaffordable feasts"

 

[Pop Tart]

Not quite on a par with the "series of polytunnels housing a kitchen and eating area while creating a space for growing plants and vegetables" that was promised.

That polytunnel looks to me like it is full of benches and tables. Not identical but no tthat much difference to what is built I don't think. I thought it was always supposed to be like a dining area with plants planted in the sides no?

 

[editor]

That polytunnel looks to me like it is full of benches and tables. Not identical but no tthat much difference to what is built I don't think. I thought it was always supposed to be like a dining area with plants planted in the sides no?

They stuck a load of commercial units underneath it so shifted it up a floor, and then stuck a walkway through the centre of it, so it bares scant resemblance to the original spacious ground level plan. It's now just a drinking/eating area with some plants shoved on the side.

 

[Ms T]

Zoe from Zoe's Ghana Kitchen is in The Guardian today.
Ghanaian generosity in a plate of spicy prawns and corn with baobab butter | Zoe Adjonyoh

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I'm struggling to see what your point is.

My point is that they are really not what they say they are....the same as your point...

 

[editor]

My point is that they are really not what they say they are....the same as your point...

On that we shall most definitely agree!

 

[discobastard]

Not quite on a par with the "series of polytunnels housing a kitchen and eating area while creating a space for growing plants and vegetables" that was promised

Completely fair point about the amount of greenery and polytunnels. But when you look at some of these early concept sketches you have to kind of question the veracity of the scene they had in mind. I suspect it might have been an over-enthusiastic intern.

Here we have two guys, with a door or somesuch balanced on a non-stable base, using powertools without the requisite safety guards in the middle of a public walkway next to some young ladies eating their lunch. From a Health and Safety point of view, that scenario is not cleared to land.

‘Dave, I need to take a quarter inch off this door, can you give me a hand?’
‘Sure, shall I come round the workshop?’
‘Nah, let’s go down that place in Brixton with all them plants and trendy food and do it there – there’s loads of space. It’s a nice day for it.’
‘Disco.’
...
‘It’s a hell of a wobbly on this gravel Gary, have you not got the other leg? And there’s kids around and that.’
‘Don’t be soft, just hold on to it tight. Oh and Dave, watch your fing...’
‘Arrrggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!’
Etc.

 

[wurlycurly]

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Completely fair point about the amount of greenery and polytunnels. But when you look at some of these early concept sketches you have to kind of question the veracity of the scene they had in mind. I suspect it might have been an over-enthusiastic intern.

Here we have two guys, with a door or somesuch balanced on a non-stable base, using powertools without the requisite safety guards in the middle of a public walkway next to some young ladies eating their lunch. From a Health and Safety point of view, that scenario is not cleared to land.

‘Dave, I need to take a quarter inch of this door, can you give me a hand?’
‘Sure, shall I come round the workshop?’
‘Nah, let’s go down that place in Brixton with all them plants and trendy food and do it there – there’s loads of space. It’s a nice day for it.’
‘Disco.’
...
‘It’s a hell of a wobbly on this gravel Gary, have you not got the other leg? And there’s kids around and that.’
‘Don’t be soft, just hold on to it tight. Oh and Dave, watch your fing...’
‘Arrrggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!’
Etc.

I think you're misinterpreting the picture. Guy on the right of the table has clearly been on the lash for eight hours.

 

[discobastard]

I think you're misinterpreting the picture. Guy on the right of the table has clearly been on the lash for eight hours.

Is that not a jig-saw? Guess it could be a stein of WKD blue now you mention it.

 

[Mr Retro]

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Completely fair point about the amount of greenery and polytunnels. But when you look at some of these early concept sketches you have to kind of question the veracity of the scene they had in mind. I suspect it might have been an over-enthusiastic intern.

Here we have two guys, with a door or somesuch balanced on a non-stable base, using powertools without the requisite safety guards in the middle of a public walkway next to some young ladies eating their lunch. From a Health and Safety point of view, that scenario is not cleared to land.

‘Dave, I need to take a quarter inch of this door, can you give me a hand?’
‘Sure, shall I come round the workshop?’
‘Nah, let’s go down that place in Brixton with all them plants and trendy food and do it there – there’s loads of space. It’s a nice day for it.’
‘Disco.’
...
‘It’s a hell of a wobbly on this gravel Gary, have you not got the other leg? And there’s kids around and that.’
‘Don’t be soft, just hold on to it tight. Oh and Dave, watch your fing...’
‘Arrrggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!’
Etc.

 

[Harbourite]

I think you're misinterpreting the picture. Guy on the right of the table has clearly been on the lash for eight hours.

looks like he's inhaling a little pick-me-up powder to get going again

 

[snowy_again]

Bloke on the left is recovering from his last bump of k at Pop Brixton!'s latest community venture Spiral Tribe Silent Disco.