Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls

[eatmorecheese]

Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man

This has to be one of the most crapulent posts I've ever seen on here. I'm sick of the idea that abuse victims have to fucking qualify their pain. Fuck you.

 

[RainbowTown]

Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man

That is a pretty low thing to say. And totally uncalled for.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man

Don’t be such a dick.

 

[UrbaneFox]

Plenty of victims can never come to terms with the abuse they suffered. Some never came forward. Some endure a lifetime of depression, mental health issues and some even take their own lives.

Then there are those brave souls who one day just say enough us enough, and they finally speak up ... knowing they will be vilified and disbelieved.

My mum was in her 90s before she started talking about the headmaster who would have his hands up the girls skirts when they queued at his desk as he read their work.

Such people were untouchable.

 

[existentialist]

My mum was in her 90s before she started talking about the headmaster who would have his hands up the girls skirts when they queued at his desk as he read their work.

Such people were untouchable.

And they only became less untouchable (not quite sure about THAT mental image!) very recently.

 

[UrbaneFox]

Even creepier: at some point my grandma announced that they were moving house and going live next door to the headmaster.

PS And it was a church school, Details, details.

 

[comrade spurski]

Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man

Spectacularly ignorant post.

 

[krtek a houby]

While waiting for the drive by tool to clarify his position, was surprised to see that R Kelly had actually married a 15 year old Aaliyah, when he was her producer. Don't know too much about her, do remember her dying at a young age & apparently her sound is very influential on some of today's artists on the pop scene

R Kelly sex-trafficking trial: manager used bribe to get Aaliyah fake ID

 

[existentialist]

While waiting for the drive by tool to clarify his position, was surprised to see that R Kelly had actually married a 15 year old Aaliyah, when he was her producer. Don't know too much about her, do remember her dying at a young age & apparently her sound is very influential on some of today's artists on the pop scene

R Kelly sex-trafficking trial: manager used bribe to get Aaliyah fake ID

The drive by tool isn't going to clarify his position. That's not what he thinks he's here for.

Sadly, neither will he have fucked off permanently.

 

[krtek a houby]

The drive by tool isn't going to clarify his position. That's not what he thinks he's here for.

Sadly, neither will he have fucked off permanently.

It's clear that many Dylan fans will dismiss the allegations. Nobody likes it when their heroes are shown up to be unworthy or vile. Some of the commentary elsewhere is far worse, but pop stars have led a charmed life over the decades - it's not wrong or naive to question their exploits, especially when it comes to ugly stuff like messing with young teens. Dylan, Kelly, whoever.

 

[existentialist]

It's clear that many Dylan fans will dismiss the allegations. Nobody likes it when their heroes are shown up to be unworthy or vile. Some of the commentary elsewhere is far worse, but pop stars have led a charmed life over the decades - it's not wrong or naive to question their exploits, especially when it comes to ugly stuff like messing with young teens. Dylan, Kelly, whoever.

I'm not sure our own little hand tool is coming at this from a a Dylan fan perspective. Given his history, it's far more likely to be a bit of half-arsed edgelordery.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm not sure our own little hand tool is coming at this from a a Dylan fan perspective. Given his history, it's far more likely to be a bit of half-arsed edgelordery.

Probably the wrong thread for him, then. Must say, was gutted when the allegations came to light. Had heard a story about him propositioning a journalist years ago - but nothing more ever came from that. But this... who cares if fans are gutted or angry that their god could be a wrong 'un? It's the alleged victim that matters, no matter how long it took for her to come forward.

 

[Spanner]

So really there is no proof. Simple as that. It's finding guilt by proxy and heresay and tenuous supposition. Where there is no actual evidence of it. Anyone can claim that they slept with someone. Whether it be consenting groupies or whoever. Anyone could turn around and say I slept with somebody consensually at the age of 15, 14, 13 whatever. Somebody could say that about any person - anyone on this board, for instance. Anyone. My point is, you said "sexual practices with young girls" (not one girl, but girls) that has been "documented plenty of times." There's just no proof of that, as no other "young girl" or "girls" - not one- has ever come forward. Even now, two years after his death.
Bowie was certainly sexually promiscious in the 60's, 70's and 80's- including men. As where lots of rock stars and groups (indeed going back to the 50s). Like you said, it was different times. But there is just no real evidence whatsoever that he had "sexual practices" with "young girls". To me anyway. That's just my take. Though he most certainly bedded some of the most beautiful and famous women of his era - and even Mick Jagger! Oh, to be a fly on that wall!

That is a pretty low thing to say. And totally uncalled for.

Quite the turnaround.

 

[Spanner]

This has to be one of the most crapulent posts I've ever seen on here. I'm sick of the idea that abuse victims have to fucking qualify their pain. Fuck you.

Oh, fuck you too. I didn’t say she had to qualify anything. I asked why it took nearly 60 years to report his crime. He’s a fucking singer, not the Godfather.

 

[BillRiver]

Meanwhile about those dates, and Bob Dylan's whereabouts:

Bob Dylan movements ‘not inconsistent’ with alleged sex abuse, says lawyer for accuser

"JC’s lawyer, Daniel Isaacs, has now responded to Heylin’s claims. “Looking at the [tour] schedule – it’s not inconsistent with our client’s claims,” he told Page Six. “There are dates that he wasn’t touring for several weeks in April and this will all come out at that appropriate time. The claims were vetted before the case was filed and we did our research. It’s our position that the evidence will establish that he was in New York during the relevant time period.”

 

[eatmorecheese]

Oh, fuck you too. I didn’t say she had to qualify anything. I asked why it took nearly 60 years to report his crime. He’s a fucking singer, not the Godfather.

Then you fail to understand the psychological prison bind of victims. Not your fault if you don't get it.

 

[BigMoaner]

Plenty of victims can never come to terms with the abuse they suffered. Some never came forward. Some endure a lifetime of depression, mental health issues and some even take their own lives.

Then there are those brave souls who one day just say enough us enough, and they finally speak up ... knowing they will be vilified and disbelieved.

Saying this as a Dylan fan.

I've been obsessed by the man ever since I first heard him 20 years ago. Spot on what your saying

 

[BigMoaner]

Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man

And its attitudes like this that helps to prevdnt people coming forward at any later stage. "oh it's too late now, no one will believe me".

 

[Spanner]

Then you fail to understand the psychological prison bind of victims. Not your fault if you don't get it.

Oh, I get it.

 

[Spanner]

And its attitudes like this that helps to prevdnt people coming forward at any later stage. "oh it's too late now, no one will believe me".

Is skepticism outlawed these days?

 

[Raheem]

Oh, I get it.

You can lead a horse to a viable excuse...

 

[Spanner]

Quite the turnaround.

You can lead a horse to a viable excuse...

…hang on. You can lead a horse. A horse? Where to? “A viable excuse”? You need to lead your metaphorical horse back to its stable and start again.

 

[xenon]

look fuck all this rubbish, is Bob Dylan a nonce or what?

 

[Spanner]

And its attitudes like this that helps to prevdnt people coming forward at any later stage. "oh it's too late now, no one will believe me".

…and it is attitudes like yours which prevent people coming forward when forensic evidence could nail the guilty bastards into a lifetime of purgatory.

 

[Spanner]

look fuck all this rubbish, is Bob Dylan a nonce or what?

No, yes, who knows

 

[Spanner]

…and it is attitudes like yours which prevent people coming forward when forensic evidence could nail the guilty bastards into a lifetime of purgatory.

Please don’t fall into the trap that my opinion about abuse is misinformed by a lack of abuse. Either mine or my loved ones.

 

[krtek a houby]

No, yes, who knows

You fucking weasel.

You've had several weeks to reconsider your ill-judged remarks and this shit is the best you can come up with?

 

[Saul Goodman]

look fuck all this rubbish, is Bob Dylan a nonce or what?

No idea but he's definitely a cunt.

 

[existentialist]

Please don’t fall into the trap that my opinion about abuse is misinformed by a lack of abuse. Either mine or my loved ones.

And suddenly, it plays the "I'm a victim, too!" card.

Bit late to the party with that one, sunshine, and there's you burbling on about how abuse victims should be fronting up while the forensic evidence is still warm. Forgive my scepticism, but...

 

[Spanner]

You fucking weasel.

You've had several weeks to reconsider your ill-judged remarks and this shit is the best you can come up with?

Actually about 10 minutes. I’m not a devotee of this forum