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Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls
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Sasaferrato
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
11-31 may: bd in portugal and england, leaves england on 2 june
and mar / april - you missed a couple of gigs:
SOMETHING IS HAPPENING
www.bjorner.com
Reno
The In Kraut
Looks like a busy schedule. There are gaps, but no 6 week period in April and May.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Not compared to working.
Reno
The In Kraut
Im no Dylan fan and have no time for abusers, what puzzles me is that the representatives of the claimant have done such a poor job in checking facts when they are public record, accessible to anybody. There are multiple online sources which show that it would have been impossible for Dylan to have a 6 week break in April and May to commit the abuse in NYC.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
according to 11 or 12 Things Remembered Well About the Chelsea Hotel dylan kept an apartment at the chelsea hotel from 1961-1964. so another (possible) crack in the case against him
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
So, he didn't remember her well in the Chelsea Hotel...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's a load of famous blue flannel
Yossarian
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He spent a lot of that British tour with Dana Gillespie, who had just turned 16.
Bowie, bed-hopping and the blues: the wild times of Dana Gillespie
She tamed Keith Moon, got laughed into bed by Bob Dylan and went to a young David Bowie’s house for tuna sandwiches – but the blues singer’s 72 albums are what really define her
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so she can alibi him thenHe spent a lot of that British tour with Dana Gillespie, who had just turned 16.
Bowie, bed-hopping and the blues: the wild times of Dana Gillespie
She tamed Keith Moon, got laughed into bed by Bob Dylan and went to a young David Bowie’s house for tuna sandwiches – but the blues singer’s 72 albums are what really define herwww.theguardian.com
Yossarian
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Shows he was promiscuous at the time and interested in having sex with girls much younger than himself, behaviour which seems to have been widely tolerated in the music scene of the time - guess we'll need to see if any other accusers or people who can corroborate the accuser's account come forward, with Dylan's very large and loyal fanbase, I can see why people would be reluctant to do so.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i have no great interest in or knowledge of bob dylan, and i have no doubt that he's done some despicable things. but my interest was piqued by the current law suit, which seems likely to run into problems of chronology.
dylan was 24 at the time under discussion, and altho we raise an eyebrow at his relationship with gillespie legally (if not morally) there was no offence being committed. it'd be interesting if anyone has a copy of 'bob dylan day by day', if they could look into it and see what the work reveals for spring 1965
editor
hiraethified
One thing that I see coming up on social media a lot today is people being confused why it took so long for the woman to lodge her complaint. Without getting into the ins and outs of this particular case, I can say from personal experience that it can take decades to come to terms with sexual abuse and there could be many reasons why someone may not want to come forward.
Yossarian
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In this case, it was going to have to be now or never - a New York state law allowed a window in which people who said they were victims of childhood sexual abuse were allowed to file lawsuits relating to incidents much earlier than the statute of limitations normally allowed for, which closed on Saturday, it's why VIrginia Giuffre filed her lawsuit against Prince Andrew when she did.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Or from a cynical viewpoint, a request for money 'to keep it quiet' has been rebuffed.
Yossarian
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Legions of Dylan fans: "Why was this woman so reluctant to come forward before now? Also, I think she must be a greedy blackmailing liar."
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes. Whatever holes there may be in her case, I don't think it's reasonable to regard the delay as necessarily being one of them. In my experience (40+ years from becomng a victim to making disclosure), it was very clear that those suggesting that such a delay was excessive had absolutely no idea about the practicalities, and that's going to be true in spades where the alleged perpetrator is a celebrity on top of everything else.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Nope, I'm not saying that is the case.
Historical he says she says crimes are difficult to prove either way. Most people will go with whoever they deem to be more credible, for whatever reason, even before facts are gathered.
You only need to search the bin or other threads in here to see where everyone stood regarding the allegations against Savile to see that some will continue to argue their beliefs in the face of growing evidence against them.
You only need to search the bin or other threads in here to see where everyone stood regarding the allegations against Savile to see that some will continue to argue their beliefs in the face of growing evidence against them.
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Oh, come on. 56 years to come to terms with his abuse? She’s lived through all his career all the way through to its twilight before coming forward? Don’t be so bloody naive man
Yossarian
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She had no recourse to legal action for many years, during which there was a significant shift in society toward believing the victims of childhood sexual abuse - during the window in New York's Child Victims Act, more than 9,000 lawsuits were filed, some of them against the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts of America, and Jeffrey Epstein - is it bloody naive to believe these people are telling the truth?
How the Child Victims Act revealed New York’s dark history of child sexual abuse
Victims of sexual abuse are speaking out on how the Child Victims Act, which allows adults to sue for damages, revealed New York’s dark history.
nypost.com
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Plenty of victims can never come to terms with the abuse they suffered. Some never came forward. Some endure a lifetime of depression, mental health issues and some even take their own lives.
Then there are those brave souls who one day just say enough us enough, and they finally speak up ... knowing they will be vilified and disbelieved.
Saying this as a Dylan fan.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Fuck off. It was a twat like you, mithering on here about how police shouldn't pursue historical cases, that was the spur to my going to the police, 45 years after the fact.
He did 6 years.
editor
hiraethified
Took me about 30 years and I normally have no problem in speaking my mind.
ruffneck23
front left
I know people who have never got through their abuse, for you to try and belittle anyone's claim just proves what an odious pathetic thing you are.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
It's been thirty years for me, and 'coming to terms' only means learning less self-destructive behaviours to cope with the mental trauma which will I will carry for the rest of my days. I might have been dead before my abuser popped his clogs, given the suicide attempts over the years, starting at the age of 19. He was just an ordinary member of the working class though, so no fortune to get my grubby hands on. I really don't know what else to say except fuck you, you piece of shit.
Dont do this.
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