moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
OK. I see what you mean.
Political polling
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maomao
普費斯
Particularly interesting given Urban 'centrists' were claiming that a low Labour total was a sign that people were confident voting tactically for the Lib Dems. The truth is the Labour figure is bumped up by people who'd rather vote LD or Green but know there's no point in a rigged system.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
sorry, but the Greens bring higher without tactical voting? I dont believe it for a second.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I think the whole idea of trying to calculate which votes were tactical is a bit flawed, but I can see how some people whose first choice would be Green would vote either Labour or LibDem on the basis that they don't think the Green would win in their constituency and (rightly or wrongly) they'd prefer them to the Tory.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Why not? Pretty sure a lot of their vote in Stroud went Labour to make sure of ousting Tory.
maomao
普費斯
Why not? I would have voted green but voted labour to try to get my local Tory out. That was a tactical vote. Given the chances of the greens in 646 UK constituencies I'm sure I was far from the only one. They'd get 20% easy under PR.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I did the same, and a Tory area held since the 1880s elected two Labour MPs, were you successful in your area?
maomao
普費斯
No. Knocked over 16000 off the dribbling moron's majority but we have depth in idiocy round here. Fractures in the local Labour party probably didn't help.
strung out
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Given the amount of tactical voting that went on across the country, I don’t think it’s particularly fair to look at Labour’s vote share and use that as a criticism of their (lack of) popularity.
If the Labour voters who went Lib Dem to kick the Tories out had voted for Labour instead, giving Labour a 40% vote share but the Tories an additional 50 seats, would that have been better or worse for Labour’s legitimacy? For the country? For the liberal left?
Under FPTP, the only measure of success you can reasonably use is the number of seats at the end of it. Understanding the underlying vote share helps you to address the tensions that exist in the electorate beneath the surface of course, see the rise of Reform, Greens, Independents as 2nd placed parties in Labour seats across the country, but this is all that vote share should be used for imo, rather than as an indication of legitimacy in and of itself.
(fwiw, I voted Green in a safe Labour seat to indicate my desire for a more left leaning and environmentally focused Labour Party)
If the Labour voters who went Lib Dem to kick the Tories out had voted for Labour instead, giving Labour a 40% vote share but the Tories an additional 50 seats, would that have been better or worse for Labour’s legitimacy? For the country? For the liberal left?
Under FPTP, the only measure of success you can reasonably use is the number of seats at the end of it. Understanding the underlying vote share helps you to address the tensions that exist in the electorate beneath the surface of course, see the rise of Reform, Greens, Independents as 2nd placed parties in Labour seats across the country, but this is all that vote share should be used for imo, rather than as an indication of legitimacy in and of itself.
(fwiw, I voted Green in a safe Labour seat to indicate my desire for a more left leaning and environmentally focused Labour Party)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
hmm, there are seats like that, but not that many.
I think it might just be terminology. It looks to me more like what people would say if they were given a choice in a PR system. In those seats where a Green (or whoever) never stood a chance, and quite possibly didnt even stand, a Labour vote wasn't exactly 'tactical', doing otherwise just wasn't even a serious possibility.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
That also tells me voters are fed up with the two main parties
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Hi editor and the mods; just a thought that, when all’s done and dusted with this sub-forum, it might be worth putting this “Political polling” thread back into the general politics forum?
I really don’t mind kicking off a new polling thread, but I think one of the valuable features of this existing thread is that it tracks back so far with a record of polling past.
Cheers, B
I really don’t mind kicking off a new polling thread, but I think one of the valuable features of this existing thread is that it tracks back so far with a record of polling past.
Cheers, B
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moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
How have Britons reacted to Labour’s election victory? | YouGov
The public are split on their reaction to the election
yougov.co.uk
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Polling about the riots....
yougov.co.uk
The public reaction to the 2024 riots | YouGov
Few Britons support the disorder, with the vast majority saying it is unjustified and that the views of the rioters are not representative of the wider population
yougov.co.uk
ska invita
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Just 12% want to beat up and kill nonwhite people - phew!! thats okay then. Just need to avoid one in ten peoplePolling about the riots....
The public reaction to the 2024 riots | YouGov
Few Britons support the disorder, with the vast majority saying it is unjustified and that the views of the rioters are not representative of the wider population
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maomao
普費斯
One in eight and a third.
Frankly that's terrifying, that's millions.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Presumably that means all the constituencies where more people didn't vote than voted for the elected MP.
When the LibDems see those figures, they'll drop their demands for PR and argue that only candidates who got more votes in their constituency than there were abstentions should count as MPs...
The problem is in assuming that those who didn’t vote have a coherent set of ideologies and concepts for the kind of society they would like to live in. In reality, that would be just as fragmented as those who voted
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Of course; it was mainly JFF with a possible thought-provoking potential.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well exactly. Parties like to claim they know how the electorate spoke. But in reality people who voted Labour didn’t have a coherent set of ideologies and concepts for the kind of society they would like to live in, either.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
think that's probably true for most of the larger parties, possibly less so for some of the more fringe parties
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