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I was trying to find a seat, other than Clacton, where they might be able to win. In Ashfield, they're in 4th place (according to the bookies). It's Labour v some local Independent according to them. Barnsley North is supposedly their most likely bet, but they are still advertising for a candidate there!

If a couple more (former) MP's turn, they could have a chance there, but that couldn't be factored into any polling.
Playing with the electoral calculus sees Rochdale being 2nd or 3rd to turn Reform as you crank their numbers up. But whither Galloway?
 
Didn't watch it myself so can't comment but this you gov poll says 51% thought sunak "won" the itv debate with starmer.

the breakdown on the other questions was interesting. Other than on immigration - where Sunak won 45-42 or something - and 'most Prime Ministerial' - 43-40 - , Starmer won, often hands down, on everything else. NHS, education, climate change, cost of living, Starmer won by miles.

Except for tax, Sunak 53-32. So I guess that's what we'll mostly be hearing about for the next four weeks.
 
Has Sunak’s strategy in calling the election now been to get it so everyone is so complacent about a massive Labour landslide that labour voters don’t bother making an effort to vote or something?
 
And 1 in 6 people thinking Reform are worth a punt, and this is probably from before Farage’s stunt of announcing he was running. What the fuck is wrong with people, where are they getting their information from? They can’t all be watching GB news because they only have about six viewers.
 
And 1 in 6 people thinking Reform are worth a punt, and this is probably from before Farage’s stunt of announcing he was running. What the fuck is wrong with people, where are they getting their information from? They can’t all be watching GB news because they only have about six viewers.
you dont need "information" to come to think "fuck the tories fuck labour make britain great again" <that in itself is sound reasoning. it goes downhill after that
 
Will be quite funny seeing Ed Davey's crew on the front benches, with the shadow home and foreign secretaries being retired geography teachers elected to parliament only days earlier :facepalm: :D
 
Has Sunak’s strategy in calling the election now been to get it so everyone is so complacent about a massive Labour landslide that labour voters don’t bother making an effort to vote or something?
Tortoise to Starmer's hare.
 
So, that's two polls now showing the Tories on 19% and Reform on 17%, I mean it's funny, but also a bit scary.
It's hilarious now, with the Tories eating themselves out of existence while Reform will get at best enough MPs to comfortably car-share to Westminster.

We won't be laughing in 5 years when a Farage-led Reform party including some of the absolute headbangers from the Tories are a very real concern.
 
So, that's two polls now showing the Tories on 19% and Reform on 17%, I mean it's funny, but also a bit scary.
on the plus side knowing the demographics of britain i cant imagine the split getting much bigger than that - lots of classic tory voters will never vote reform - will be pulling the rightwing vote apart down the middle for a long time...not a problem easily resolved for the tories
 
Gain a vote when you sign up to Sky TV, lose it if you join a rambling club. Or vice versa.
 
Not looking forward to the 2029 elections one little bit.
why? Even if Reform and the Tories become one party, by whatever means, such a right wing programme will appeal to less than 35% of the electorate. That shit gets a fair bit of support, but not enough to actually win an election. Given the age of their supporters it is likely to be even less than that. Odds on they won't become anything like one party too. Who knows what the tories will look like after the election, they are going to get so few seats it's almost impossible to guess who will take over next. They will still be completely fucked at the next election.
 
why? Even if Reform and the Tories become one party, by whatever means, such a right wing programme will appeal to less than 35% of the electorate. That shit gets a fair bit of support, but not enough to actually win an election. Given the age of their supporters it is likely to be even less than that. Odds on they won't become anything like one party too. Who knows what the tories will look like after the election, they are going to get so few seats it's almost impossible to guess who will take over next. They will still be completely fucked at the next election.

Everything will be worse in five years, though. Geopolitically, environmentally, demographically. Voters will be even grumpier.
 
Interesting that the first few "post-Farage" polls have got Reform up by a good few (as expected), but seemingly more at the expense of Labour than the Tories.

The conservatives just seem stuck at 19-23ish. We're down to the 'would vote for a badly trained gibbon with a blue rosette' rump; even they are struggling to go lower, and they sure as hell aren't picking any up.
 
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