Parents gather outside Birmingham school to protest against gay teacher

[tim]

traditional muslim attitudes to gay sex.
Urban Dictionary: man love thursday

The term used to describe Middle Eastern men and their activities the night before Friday, the Muslim day of rest. In traditional Muslim countries women are not seen on the streets after dark so men rule the night. Anal sex for many Muslim men is not seen as homosexual. As the anus is used for pleasure. After their Thursday night adventures the men return home and act as if nothing ever happened.
While driving back to base we were visually accosted by the sight of a full blown man love Thursday.
#ass sex#chocolate star fish#in the closet#denial#sexism

This is a Birmingham story not something happening in some nebulous Middle Eastern location.

 

[Riklet]

not sure why youd post that ridiculous american bullshit likesfish but it's not helpful or appropriate.

thats exactly what these moaning bigots are arguing - anyone who doesnt accept their right to decide exactly what their kids learn or exposed to is racist or against islam. if they were moaning bigoted christians there wouldnt be so any lefty hand-wringing over it.

sad to hear theyre suspending the programme, but I do have misgivings about the naivity of going into conservative asian areas to trial it without a proper strategy or community approach. that isnt to say they should give up and let this lot win, though.

 

[likesfish]

Yeah the whole Muslims don't do gay stuff. When Pakistan is one of the biggest consumers of gay porn. Is just a tad hypocritical. If your going to decide to follow non UK culture norms in favour of your religious beliefs pointing out that your beliefs are false is fair comment.

 

[Riklet]

Wheres the evidence that Pakistan is one of the biggest consumers of gay porn? Looked like a made-up stuff-it fact to me. Totally off topic.

Even if it's true, and even if it's true theres massive homophobia and sexual repression in Pakistan. And even if most of these parents are muslim and of Pakistani or Kashmiri backgrounds, I still dont see the logic of linking it to this school situation. this is a different country, city and situation, plenty of those parents were born here or have lived most of their lives here.

I agree theres an argument to be had about secular values and standing up against religious conservatism, even if it comes from minority groups, but those kind of nasty attacks wont win the debate.

 

[alex_]

Wheres the evidence that Pakistan is one of the biggest consumers of gay porn? Looked like a made-up stuff-it fact to me. Totally off topic.

Even if it's true, and even if it's true theres massive homophobia and sexual repression in Pakistan. And even if most of these parents are muslim and of Pakistani or Kashmiri backgrounds, I still dont see the logic of linking it to this school situation. this is a different country, city and situation, plenty of those parents were born here or have lived most of their lives here.

I agree theres an argument to be had about secular values and standing up against religious conservatism, even if it comes from minority groups, but those kind of nasty attacks wont win the debate.

Link to evidence

Why Is Gay Porn So Popular in Pakistan?

 

[zahir]

The protest planned for today was called off.

Parkfield School - No Outsiders LGBT lessons will NOT resume

 

[farmerbarleymow]

It looks to me more like a strategic move by the school to take the wind out of the sails of the protests. I hope I’m right about this anyway.

Like spooky, I hope you're right. It'd be depressing if they've just caved in the demands of the bigots.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Link to evidence

Why Is Gay Porn So Popular in Pakistan?

I feel this may be a rabbit hole we don't need to go down at this time.

What we know for sure is that there are gay people in every country and culture and that pretending otherwise is always damaging. We're not dealing with a neutral difference of opinion here, we're talking about views which are known to be harmful.

 

[zahir]

 

[treelover]

post deleted, can't be bothered

 

[treelover]

Parents complain to Manchester schools about LGBT lessons

In Manchester now

 

[zahir]

It may be interesting to see where the divisions between Muslims lead with this.

 

[zahir]

Protests at another Birmingham school.

Parents 'warned they'll go to hell unless they sign LGBT petition'

 

[likesfish]

you'd think a community that makes lots of noise about Islamophobia might be quite keen on diversity?

 

[treelover]

Major package on Ch4, looks like it may be spreading, back at Parkfield as well, it doesn't look like its just about No Outsiders, CH4 think an Islamist organisation may be behind it, on their website , it has 'adam and eve', not 'adam and adam', on it.

If there are gay kids there, it must be terrifying, seeing your mates outside screaming abuse about you, It is imcomprehensible why the liberal left, and especially LGBT groups, haven't been robustly responding to all this, then again many were supine when it came to The Satanic Verses

The protestors do have a lot of support from the Daily Mail bigots, though

 

[zahir]

Major package on Ch4, looks like it may be spreading, back at Parkfield as well, it doesn't look like its just about No Outsiders, CH4 think an Islamist organisation may be behind it, on their website , it has 'adam and eve', not 'adam and adam', on it.

Here’s the Channel 4 report: Protest at primary schools over LGBT tolerance lessons

The Islamic RSE site mentioned in the report: Islamic RSE

 

[zahir]

Report on the other Birmingham primary school targeted by protests.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/21/birmingham-headteacher-lgbt-lessons-protests-anderton/

The protests this week at Hewitt-Clarkson’s school, she said, have been unsettling for both pupils and staff.

“It’s just a joke and unpleasant, and very stressful for staff and the children—and many of the parents,” said the headteacher.

Hewitt-Clarkson said that the group had chanted intimidatory phrases such as “Hewitt-Clarkson is a liar,” and “Hewitt-Clarkson stand down.”

“They say it’s peaceful protest, but there’s lots of shouting, there are children crying, my staff are very upset by it, lots of parents are upset by it,” she said.

Hewitt-Clarkson confirmed she has been speaking to police over protesters.

She said that some parents and staff at the school have have called the police hotline 101 over the rallies to report that “they are feeling threatened, harassed, distressed.”

The headteacher also said she has received support from parents over the inclusive curriculum.

“So many parents have said, ‘God, we’re so glad you’re telling our kids this, your teachers, you’re doing our jobs for us,'” she added.

Video from the head teacher explaining the school’s approach to relationship education.

Anderton Park Primary School - Information for Parents

 

[likesfish]

These peoples views on LGBT like all religious fundies is it's wrong and traditionally they'd be allowed to kill them.
So Tough Gay, people exist and no you can't kill them regardless of what your holy book says welcome to the 21st century. The protest is lead by fundies who are bigots if they get away with this they won't stop. Atheists will be on their list, women not wearing headscarves, children not being segregated etc etc etc.

 

[SpookyFrank]

you'd think a community that makes lots of noise about Islamophobia might be quite keen on diversity?

Bigots in 'not thinking stuff through' shocker.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Lives are ruined by shame and stigma. LGBT lessons in schools are vital | Hannah Jane Parkinson - another critical article about the protests, and quite right too.

 

[likesfish]

That's not a bug it's a feature as far as religious fundies are concerned .

A gay person who never mentions they are gay and just quietly tops themselves is their ideal solution avoids shame on the community after all.

 

[zahir]

Some more comments from Andrew Moffat here.

Anti-LGBT protests by pupils ‘very hurtful’, says teacher

 

[zahir]

A counter protest yesterday.



ETA: from this thread it seems they were invited in to speak.



Report on one of the speakers at the conference.

Activist warning of 'war on morality' wades into LGBT lessons row

 

[zahir]

Protest in support of no outsiders at Parkfield School tomorrow. There’s some disagreement about it on the thread.

 

[zahir]

Andrew Moffat’s reaction to protests being suspended.

Exclusive: 'Fantastic' says LGBT row teacher as protests are halted

 

[zahir]

Protest in support of no outsiders at Parkfield School tomorrow. There’s some disagreement about it on the thread.

Protest called off.

 

[Sasaferrato]

you'd think a community that makes lots of noise about Islamophobia might be quite keen on diversity?

Islam is only interested in university. As long as the university is Islam.

This should be dealt with in the same manner as taking children out of school for holidays during term time, a fine issued every time a child is absent.

 

[TopCat]

you'd think a community that makes lots of noise about Islamophobia might be quite keen on diversity?

Why?

 

[treelover]

If Sam does hold these protests, will Urbanites in the Midlands be attending?, hasn't exactly got traction on here, which is surprising compared to the say, discussions on TERFs, etc.

There should certainly be protests against the groups stirring it up,

 

[likesfish]

Why?

Because tolerance of difference is kind of vital if your a minority because if we treated Muslims like Atheists and non believers are treated in 13 Muslim States they'd know what discrimination was all about the ones who aren't dead would anyway.