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Having had far too much experience dealing with drunks - best option is to have a clear no drunkenness sign and enforce it. If necessary - and if it is agreed by GA as a policy- escort anyone who is drunk out of the area. Hardly rocket science.
 
kenny g said:
well if they have decided no alcohol then all the easier. Nothing wrong with having a dry policy.
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Not saying there's anything wrong with it as such. I do wonder where we're meant to be heading when the atmosphere within the camp is more repressive than that outside it, though.
 
Corax said:
Harder to ensure even-handedness though. When does 'exuberant' become 'a bit merry' become 'tipsy' become 'drunk'? It's a subjective measure.
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Too true. I can remember drinking a bottle of Lamb's Navy Rum plus all sorts in June 18th 1999. I think my effectiveness may have been enhanced if there had been a slightly more sober approach to the protest.
 
Just chipping in with a little off topic thoughtfart. But by the looks of the US "evictions" all them tents got fucked. I have no idea if something like this is already in place, but maybe people could donate their tents to a homeless charity or something, before they all get smooshed.
 
smokedout said:
why do you think youve got anything to offer that cant be done far better by existing services that people on the street are already well aware of you stupid fucking liberals
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Why are you being so rude? We are using existing services and trying strategies of our own. What else can we do?:facepalm:

so you are prepared to abuse vulnerable people with a medical condition because you arent organised or capable enough to manage the needs of everyone properly. will there be signs telling junkies, spackers, mongs and nutters to piss off as well?
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I am not abusing anyone. I did not make that sign, nor have I seen it personally. I did not vote for it or agree in any way that it's wording is the correct approach to the issue.
I do not like that sign. It is aggressive and rude. Just like you.

I tell you what, FUCK OFF and don't engage with me until you learn some manners and stop attacking me for what you imagine me to be doing.
 
kenny g said:
Having had far too much experience dealing with drunks - best option is to have a clear no drunkenness sign and enforce it. If necessary - and if it is agreed by GA as a policy- escort anyone who is drunk out of the area. Hardly rocket science.
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That is pretty much what is being done already. I can't account for a sign I did not make, have not seen and would never have approved/agreed on.
 
Well said. At least it sounds like you are having some input in it- better than people like myself with our armchair contributions.
 
Blagsta said:
There are obviously issues in dealing with drunk or otherwise intoxicated people. There are, however, more diplomatic ways of going about it.
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Saw one incident when having a look around this evening - I'm not sure what went on before it or what prompted it, but some clean shaven well spoken guy was taking a beer bottle out of the hands of a guy with a beard... it got slightly aggressive and some police/security/yellow vest bloke stepped in and broke it up. Some other well spoken guy was talking to two more bearded guys saying 'he's been going round bullying people' or something along those lines - though I believe he was referring to the bloke with the beard as the bully and not the guy aggressively snatching his beer away. Whilst many people might not want street drinkers, I don't think they've got any right to physically intervene or any authority to dictate what people can or can't do in what is essentially still a public space.
 
Rutita1 said:
I am not abusing anyone. I did not make that sign, nor have I seen it personally. I did not vote for it or agree in any way that it's wording is the correct approach to the issue.
I do not like that sign. It is aggressive and rude. Just like you.

I tell you what, FUCK OFF and don't engage with me until you learn some manners and stop attacking me for what you imagine me to be doing.
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you supported it, on this thread
 
Dowie said:
Whilst many people might not want street drinkers, I don't think they've got any right to physically intervene or any authority to dictate what people can or can't do in what is essentially still a public space.
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especially when they rely on the filth to back them up if it goes wrong

middle class scum
 
smokedout said:
you supported it, on this thread
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No I didn't. I said I can imagine it was put up because of the abuse/attacks that are happening by pissed people from inside and outside of the camp.

I was posting in a rush being distracted by what was happening on the livestream and didn't take the time to give my opinions on the wording/approach of that particular 'sign'. That is different to supporting it.
 
Corax said:
Harder to ensure even-handedness though. When does 'exuberant' become 'a bit merry' become 'tipsy' become 'drunk'? It's a subjective measure.
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Certainly easier to implement simplistic authoritarian measures, can't argue with you there.

What were we protesting about again?
 
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8ball said:
Certainly easier to implement simplistic authoritarian measures, can't argue with you there.

What were we protesting about again?
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I made no comment on the validity of the overall idea, merely on the practicality, but I'm not sure why simplistic authoritarian measures are inherently worse than convoluted authoritarian measures.
 
Rutita1 said:
Why are you being so rude? We are using existing services and trying strategies of our own. What else can we do?:facepalm:
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unless youve got any homes to offer them stop using strategies of your own, you cant help and you will just piss people off

Corax said:
I made no comment on the validity of the overall idea, merely on the practicality, but I'm not sure why simplistic authoritarian measures are inherently worse than convoluted authoritarian measures.
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there don't have to be any authoritarian measures, just genuine consensus that meets the needs of everyone, and not just the middle class self-appointed leaders
 
Dowie said:
Saw one incident when having a look around this evening - I'm not sure what went on before it or what prompted it, but some clean shaven well spoken guy was taking a beer bottle out of the hands of a guy with a beard... it got slightly aggressive and some police/security/yellow vest bloke stepped in and broke it up. Some other well spoken guy was talking to two more bearded guys saying 'he's been going round bullying people' or something along those lines - though I believe he was referring to the bloke with the beard as the bully and not the guy aggressively snatching his beer away. Whilst many people might not want street drinkers, I don't think they've got any right to physically intervene or any authority to dictate what people can or can't do in what is essentially still a public space.
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It didn't start like that, OSLX for better or worse has become a magnet for the homeless, addicted, etc across London and they are doing great things to include them, but I personally witnessed agressive behaviour which was quite unpleasant, the main aim of the camp is to create alternatives and to develop new ideas and to challenge the practices of the COL, it can't be allowed to become overwhelmed by demands from the drinkers, etc, this has been the bane of many such iniatives with the brew crew, etc, undermining things...
 
Corax said:
I made no comment on the validity of the overall idea, merely on the practicality, but I'm not sure why simplistic authoritarian measures are inherently worse than convoluted authoritarian measures.
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I'm not sure why authoritarian measures are made better by being simpler either.

And fuckin' magnets - how do they work?
 
Badly behaved drunks don't have to be tolerated by anyone- they are a fucking pain in the arse and there is nothing wrong with dealing with them proportionality.
 
I wonder if there is anyone on this forum who'd know how to find the whereabouts of any other unoccupied bank buildings there may be in London and elsewhere...
 
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