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Rutita1 said:
So you were there on Saturday and that was your observation of then? I'll be interested to hear what you think when and if you go back...meaning is that an issue now, how have they moved on since Saturday etc.
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nah, then it was a greater mass and the main concern was the rozzers. I'm only posting about what i have been told today, more power to them generally. I'll give a personal post when i get the chance.
 
Basically, what Blagsta said.
A list of aims for a "what we are for" statement is to be drawn up and each point will be discussed and voted on at Saturdays General assembly..
 
Blagsta said:
I went to the general assembly tonight, <snip>.
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Cheers for the report Blagsta.

and this (from the link BA posted) is good news
Good news is that the sparks plan to join the student demonstration to the City on 9 November. Workers, students, and activists need to link up in a single, united, national movement against the cuts. That is the way to overcome the fragmentation and division fostered by the bosses and the Con-Dem government.
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and is the type of thing that will actually make occupy relevant.
 
'Have just had a long conversation with alternative rocker and political activist Julian Cope (he of the poll tax riots), about the Occupy movement and how the mainstream press isn't giving it nearly enough attention. He was genuinely interested and spoke out on stage tonight calling for people to get together and occupy, and said he's going to try and get down to Occupy LSX when he's in London on ...his tour. I know having rock star endorsement isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I saw an opportunity there to get the message across via yet another medium and took it. If anything it's inspired another person to get out there and hopefully it might be the final nudge needed for people at his gigs to join in.'

Julian's coming!
 
butchersapron said:
Quick report on the occupy people getting down to blackfriars today (laughable line in the first para of course).
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The turnout wasn't too bad at all and the links being made between the various disputes movements are great to see. That certainly was a laughable line though - those who stayed out did so because they wanted to. The ones who are not yet convinced, confident and/or aware walked through - with no fear of a few linked-arm students (most of those going in had already passed before the 'light cavalry' arrived anyway). Despite Unite leaderships role - the site wide ballot is significant - the rank and file can use that as an opportunity.
 
treelover said:
'Have just had a long conversation with alternative rocker and political activist Julian Cope (he of the poll tax riots), about the Occupy movement and how the mainstream press isn't giving it nearly enough attention. He was genuinely interested and spoke out on stage tonight calling for people to get together and occupy, and said he's going to try and get down to Occupy LSX when he's in London on ...his tour. I know having rock star endorsement isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I saw an opportunity there to get the message across via yet another medium and took it. If anything it's inspired another person to get out there and hopefully it might be the final nudge needed for people at his gigs to join in.'

Julian's coming!
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Could you post where you got this from, cheers.
Belboid will be pleased anyway.
 
Cathedral are now suggesting that the camp is detrimental to 'Cathedral life'. :hmm: I wonder if the clergyman who was in favour of the camp has now been nobbled by others in the church council or whatever.
 
Rutita1 said:
Cathedral are now suggesting that the camp is detrimental to 'Cathedral life'. :hmm: I wonder if the clergyman who was in favour of the camp has now been nobbled by others in the church council or whatever.
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yup most probably, same old shit. taken aside and had words with. can't be having people in the establishment agreeing with and encouraging riffraff/lower classes can we!
 
quote and link- BIG STORY NOW, EVEN THE NAZIS couldn't get rid of this ICONIC building of ENGLAND!!! we're not going to let some HIPPIES close it

A rise in their numbers was now posing "a risk to the life of the cathedral", the statement said.
On Monday the cathedral authorities said they were trying to "provide worship and welcome to all" in spite of the protest camp in the churchyard.
But in a new statement on Wednesday, the cathedral said the increase in numbers at the site now meant it was forced to "review the extent to which it can remain open for the many thousands coming this week as worshippers, visitors and in school parties".
The consequences of closing St Paul's "cannot be taken lightly", the statement said.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15380205
 
St Paul's have asked them to leave due to 'health and safety' concerns. I suspect this is the result of someone winning an internal squabble within whatever governing body looks after the cathedral.

Going to be interesting to see what happens next. I rather fear this will expose some of the contradictions within the occupation though.
 
'forced' to close my arse.

I've never seen such blatant attempt to guilt trip via the media.

On 12/11/11 is the Lord Mayor's show where the new lord mayor of the city (currently a property developer) will be blessed on the steps of St Pauls, I had a feeling the protest would be removed long before that. We can see the wheels turning now. This is the Lord Mayor of the Corporation Of London, the only council where businesses such as banks get four times as many votes on who gets to be mayor than the people who live there.

As has been said, if the church really cared, they would open their doors to the protesters and give them food and shelter. Religion, State and Business are the three big things we need to move beyond.
 
occupiers start quoting bible back at St Paul's :D

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Protesters at #occupylsx start to quote Bible back at St Paul'stwitpic.com/73mt3f & pic.twitter.com/QFhHGuky
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Bristly Pioneer said:
'forced' to close my arse.

I've never seen such blatant attempt to guilt trip via the media.

On 12/11/11 is the Lord Mayor's show where the new lord mayor of the city (currently a property developer) will be blessed on the steps of St Pauls, I had a feeling the protest would be removed long before that. We can see the wheels turning now. This is the Lord Mayor of the Corporation Of London, the only council where businesses such as banks get four times as many votes on who gets to be mayor than the people who live there.

As has been said, if the church really cared, they would open their doors to the protesters and give them food and shelter. Religion, State and Business are the three big things we need to move beyond.
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Have you read Treasure Islands by Nick Shaxton bristly?
 
any member of the 'establishment' for want of a better word who sides with or makes approving noises of something the 'anti-establishment' does or stands for tends to get taken aside by their 'superiors' or some more serious part of the establishment and had words with about their place and what side they are on.

self preservation and containment init
 
Appeal for Legal Observers from London Green & Black Cross:

We're expecting the police to step up their presence around the Occupy
London site this weekend.

Last Saturday we saw some brutal policing from the TSG on the steps of
the Cathedral, so it would be great to have a few more legal observers
on hand should any problems arise.

Just turn up on site at St Paul's over the weekend, bring a tent if you
like. You'll find us in the legal tent!
 
Bristly Pioneer said:
'forced' to close my arse.

I've never seen such blatant attempt to guilt trip via the media.

On 12/11/11 is the Lord Mayor's show where the new lord mayor of the city (currently a property developer) will be blessed on the steps of St Pauls, I had a feeling the protest would be removed long before that. We can see the wheels turning now. This is the Lord Mayor of the Corporation Of London, the only council where businesses such as banks get four times as many votes on who gets to be mayor than the people who live there.

As has been said, if the church really cared, they would open their doors to the protesters and give them food and shelter. Religion, State and Business are the three big things we need to move beyond.
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Sorry to sound like a stuck record... but does anyone think the occupy lsx demo could have been, or still could be co-opted into a demo against the city of london corporation?

if so, the guildhall square would be a good area to occupy. it is an enclosed space though and could just end up with occupiers in the middle and regular traffic to the area just going around the square, giving the action no impact.

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it is also a little bit smaller than the area currently occupied and away from the lsx and enclosed so no room to expand, no other areas nearby to use either.

http://colcprotest.wordpress.com/

WHAT IS THE CITY OF LONDON CORPORATION?
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Council_and_democracy/Council_departments/whatis.htm

The City of London provides local government services for the financial and commercial heart of Britain, the ‘Square Mile’. It is committed to supporting and promoting ‘The City’ as the world leader in international finance and business services through the policies it pursues and the high standard of services it provides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation#Criticism
“Nowadays, with its Lord Mayor, its Beadles, Sheriffs and Aldermen, its separate police force and its select electorate of freemen and liverymen, the City of London is an anachronism of the worst kind. The Corporation, which runs the City like a one-party mini-state, is an unreconstructed old boys’ network whose medievalist pageantry camouflages the very real power and wealth which it holds.” – pp110, Rough Guide to England, 2006

Maurice Glasman: http://www2.lse.ac.uk/publicEvents/events/2011/20110201t1830vHKT.aspx
http://richmedia.lse.ac.uk/publicLecturesAndEvents/20110201_1830_theCityOfLondonAndItsTaxHavenEmpire.mp3
Do you need any greater statement about the power of the City of London? They blow all the money, we bail them out, and then… we get cut! It’s a stupendous act of shameless power and they say if you don’t support this then we won’t have economic growth… but we don’t have economic growth because the City of London will not invest in the country, because the rates of return in the financial sector are always higher than in the real economy, and therefore we have completely hitched our wagon to a very very very volatile mistress.

Whats going on? We are living in a world dominated by money, we are living in a world dominated by capital, we are living in a world of disenchanted politics and a very very very ferocious form of unmediated globalisation.
Then what is to be done?

We respond obviously in anger, rage, fury. But that’s not the way. The way is to think, about how we can act together to salvage a more human world from all of this. And for everybody who is committed to developing countries, to making the world a better place, there is no more urgent task than to democratise London. To have all of London as the City.
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From an email from Maurice Glasman:
Dear William,

thanks for getting in touch. In my view we are at least three years away
from an effective action that could bring some pressure to bear on the
Corporation. People won;t know what you're talking about and it is
entirely denunciatory in form and will change nothing. It will irritate
but it won;t agitate. You have the right target though.

Two things.

First, if you are adament about going ahead then target the Corporation
itself. Have your barbeques and sing ins, keepie uppie and hot dog vans in
teh guildhall sqaure. Claim it for all Londoners, contest the space.
Make the Corporation the target. Most people who work in the city don;t

know anything about it.
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My favourite bit of the email:
This is very serious political work and they are very
powerful. That guides my thought on the matter,

with best wishes,


Maurice Glasman
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bring it on imo :)
 
Will2403 said:
Sorry to sound like a stuck record... but does anyone think the occupy lsx demo could have been, or still could be co-opted into a demo against the city of london corporation?

if so, the guildhall square would be a good area to occupy. it is an enclosed space though and could just end up with occupiers in the middle and regular traffic to the area just going around the square, giving the action no impact.

guildhall.jpg


it is also a little bit smaller than the area currently occupied and away from the lsx and enclosed so no room to expand, no other areas nearby to use either.

http://colcprotest.wordpress.com/
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We were talking about this last night.. a decent list of alternative locations nearby that can be expanded into or relocated to at short notice so that, should the pressure come to evict there is some element of tactics stolen from the rioters that will ensure momentum isn't lost.
 
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