ATOMIC SUPLEX
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. . . and the point I am trying to make is that it would have improved the film and had no baring on the subject matter at all.
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The issue AS raised is not about who gets older how quickly. It’s much more straightforward than that. If something is travelling FTL in one frame of reference then it is going backwards in time in a different frame of reference. What we call “time” is just the measure by which we determine which event happens before which other event. But that determination depends on light. If something is travelling FTL then by definition it gets to the destination before the thing that caused it, as we define causality. If the thing that is travelling is information then that means information arrives before the cause of the information. That means you have sent a message back in time.Also, I just remembered - not applicable in this case as he's only near Saturn iirc - but it's not the space traveller who'd see into the future. If you travel far away to another galaxies, when you come back it's the people on Earth who are older - not you. Still irrelevant in this scenario, as these are messages - but interesting nonetheless. As I think your 'seeing into the future' line up there is an impossibility.
Would you really age more slowly on a spaceship at close to light speed?
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girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I didn't say it was, but thanks for mansplaining that to me. I literally said 'not applicable'
. Also, if it's travelling FTL it's probably arriving at the present, bc something travelling at the speed of light would take years to arrive, depending on how far the spaceship was... Whereas something travelling faster than light could theoretically be instantaneous!posted by me - p.s. I also like my serious sci fi to be at least theoretically possible one day - and these FTL communications devices are all over sci-fi... Ansible - Wikipedia
But like I said, I don't think human civilization will be around long enough to figure out whether it's possible or not.
FTL comms devices are all over sci-fi and to have that be the thing that ruins a sci-fi story for you means you're going to hate a lot of very well regarded sci fi.
What's intriguing to me is that no one is talking about the giant spider 
. But I also managed to reconcile that in my mind and I like that it's open to interpretation. He was taking a lot of sleep medication/drinking - so it could be real but it could also not be real at all.
. But I also managed to reconcile that in my mind and I like that it's open to interpretation. He was taking a lot of sleep medication/drinking - so it could be real but it could also not be real at all.
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danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
To be fair to kabbes he is an equal opportunities splainer.I didn't say it was, but thanks for mansplaining that to me.
What the fuck has talking about the implications of FTL got to do with mansplaining? Mansplaining is not just “someone disagrees with me”. This kind of co-opting of terms that sound good into irrelevant contexts is what enables ongoing power inequalities to persist, because it’s apolitical bullshit.
You literally said this: “it's not the space traveller who'd see into the future. If you travel far away to another galaxies, when you come back it's the people on Earth who are older - not you.” And that’s what I was responding to. AS didn’t say anything about the problems with FTL communication being with this space traveler. He said that FTL communications imply time travel, and that’s the point I was underlining.I didn't say it was, but thanks for mansplaining that to me. I literally said 'not applicable'
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I don't even understand what you're saying now so hey, you win. Well done.
Also I was rather enjoying pondering about how it'd work and discussing it with AS (even though he hasn't replied to what I said?!) I don't understand why you felt the need to explain what he thinks when surely he can speak for himself?
It's like you saw me posting and decided to butt in and explain to me what someone else is thinking? Why did you feel the need to do that, instead of letting us figure it out? It's not the first time you have done this.
Also I was rather enjoying pondering about how it'd work and discussing it with AS (even though he hasn't replied to what I said?!) I don't understand why you felt the need to explain what he thinks when surely he can speak for himself?
It's like you saw me posting and decided to butt in and explain to me what someone else is thinking? Why did you feel the need to do that, instead of letting us figure it out? It's not the first time you have done this.
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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He is only near Saturn but that's still 45 minutes light speed away. Even so, the implications are huge with just the basics. . .
Lets say he has to make a life and death decision in his static space station. Cutting a red or blue wire. He sends off a probe ship traveling away from his static space station. He sends a transmission that he will cut the blue wire, then cuts it, the subsequent explosion (wrong wire) triggers a ftl instant communication. On the moving probe ships space-timeline they get the blue wire explosion info and send back another instant signal not to cut the blue wire. Because the probe is moving and has a different space timeline the instantaneous transmission arrives at the space station before blue is chosen and before the ship explodes. On the space station he now paradoxically cuts the red wire and never sends the blue wire transmission that killed/saved him.
The simple (on/off/yes/no) actions can be done and calculated almost instantaneously - if Y=blue+BANG then send "cut red" signal, if Y=red+BANG then send "cut blue" signal, if Y=red NOBANG send "cut red", if Y=blue NOBANG then send "cut blue" singnal. . . so distances in this thought experiment don't really matter (and it certainly doesn't matter how far he is from earth). As long as faster than light communication exists there is a paradoxical issue with huge implications (to everything).
Remember this isn't to be confused with time dilation as such, perceived time of different moving bodies would just appear as faster or slower from different locations.
I wonder if the answer isn't to do with spacetime being curved and graphs needing to be drawn in three (or even four?) dimensions. . . but I am not really clever enough for all that and have never found anything about it on the web. . . Also, last night I was watching people chat about how spacetime was probably all bullshit anyway and what we perceive as the real world is basically our operating system on top of what is really going on. Who knows.
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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None of this has anything to do with the actual film. Anything that is is spoilered.
T & P
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As a change of subject is probably a good idea at this point, may I interrupt the current discussion to make a fresh recommendation? 
Brand new offering Furies is a French crime thriller series that can be broadly described as a French young female John Wicks. We’re already half way through and it is a lot of fun (in a John Wicks OTT but greatly filmed violence way, rather than being a comedy). Very watchable, very well produced, and fully recommended to fans of the genre.
Brand new offering Furies is a French crime thriller series that can be broadly described as a French young female John Wicks. We’re already half way through and it is a lot of fun (in a John Wicks OTT but greatly filmed violence way, rather than being a comedy). Very watchable, very well produced, and fully recommended to fans of the genre.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I bet they only communicate at the speed of sound or slower. Sounds boring.As a change of subject is probably a good idea at this point, may I interrupt the current discussion to make a fresh recommendation?
Brand new offering Furies is a French crime thriller series that can be broadly described as a French young female John Wicks. We’re already half way through and it is a lot of fun (in a John Wicks OTT but greatly filmed violence way, rather than being a comedy). Very watchable, very well produced, and fully recommended to fans of the genre.
T & P
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Funnily enough, one recurring theme is how the various criminal gangs send messages to their members, which involves analog methods such as handwritten messages delivered by people on foot- so much slower than the speed of sound
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I knew it. I'm out.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
This ^ basically, there was a disagreement and discussion about whether the communication speed thing mattered in terms of the plot, but we were all very careful to spoiler tag anything that related to the story/plot.
Unspoilered discussion was about where it had no bearing on the plot, just about whether it added to or detracted from the atmosphere.
Although we might disagree about impact on the believability of the film, we were very careful in terms of spoiler tags and any plot points are hidden.
Spymaster
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Just watched ep 1. Its like an embarrassing student TV parody of collected Guy Richie tropes . . . . Which is saying something because a lot of Guy Ritchie’s output since lock stock is already all of those things. Meta devolution.
The shit dialogue and obvious (yet at the same time ridiculous) plot direction cheapens it. Even Peter Serafinowicz can't save it (and is actually disappointingly shit in it).
I hated it, yet somehow I am curiously drawn to the car crash experience in the same way I was to 'Fool me once'. I imagine I will watch another. There must be a Guy Richie bingo card that you could apply to it.
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sparkybird
ask the bird...
No estás sola/you are not alone
Documentary about Spain's Me Too moment triggered by a gang rape at the San Fermín Festival in Pamplona in 2016
At times very difficult viewing, at times unbelievable, but ultimately inspiring.
Highly recommend
Documentary about Spain's Me Too moment triggered by a gang rape at the San Fermín Festival in Pamplona in 2016
At times very difficult viewing, at times unbelievable, but ultimately inspiring.
Highly recommend
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Lasted about 15 mins. Utter shite
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I've done two episodes of The Gentlemen, cos I'm a fucking mug! Wot a load o' pony. The clothes are horrible too. Everyone is dressed so bad!
I really might have to finish it, but even Ray couldn't help it and I love Ray.
I really might have to finish it, but even Ray couldn't help it and I love Ray.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Despite knowing Ritchie's a bellend, I like a few of his films - I couldn't finish The Gentleman film though as it was utter shite - awful boring geezer-by-numbers rubbish. I'm not finding it difficult to swerve the series tbh.
I too love Ray* and I wonder if he's just enjoyed taking the coin whilst also thinking Ritchie's a wanker. (They've got prior beef iirc).
*who incidentally has morphed into Logan Roy.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
I'm on episode 3 and I've completely lost track.
It is ridiculous but I think I'm going to try again tomorrow from the beginning of this episode, it's not unusual for me to lose track of something part way through and need to rewind.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Well I'm finding The Gentleman quite entertaining.
It absolute tosh - and Guy fucking Ritchie tosh at that so nuclear levels of tosh - but it's stupid fun.
Peter Serafinowicz scouse accent sounded hilariously dodgy which is bizarre given he is an actual scouser
It absolute tosh - and Guy fucking Ritchie tosh at that so nuclear levels of tosh - but it's stupid fun.
Peter Serafinowicz scouse accent sounded hilariously dodgy which is bizarre given he is an actual scouser
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
If you really need to know that American boarding schools for "troubled teens" which charge parents $$$ to ship their inconvenient children off to remote sites for heavy brainwashing (sorry, "behavior modification") regimes are a bad idea, then THE PROGRAM may not be 3 hours of your life wasted. It's wayyyy too long and full of whining, but worth it for jawdropping testimony on the levels of scamming and abuse involved and takes a sensibly combative and systematic 'follow the money' approach.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
That sort of thing is right up my alley, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It wasn't overly long for a change for these sorts of documentary mini series.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Can anyone point me in the direction of the Netflix thread where the password situation was discussed please? Lil'FA has now been locked out of our account (the freeloading bloody student); was there a workaround? I've got a vague idea ATOMIC SUPLEX started the thread maybe? Ta.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
A search does not bring anything up in my name. I remember a warning message coming up for me, well more like a subtle reminder that if I have other family members that use netflix they should jolly well pay for their own accounts.
Not sure there is even a way to contest it. My brother uses my netflix but as far as they know he could be living with me and just watching netflix when he is away at work in st albans.
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