More police brutality than you can shake a stick at.

[DaveCinzano]

Orlando PD is bringing out the sci-fi weapons now - deploying an LRAD to enforce curfew:



But hey, the Chief wants you to pray your sadness away before you go deaf

 

[DexterTCN]

The stakes rise with the power of the police.

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[GarveyLives]

The public execution of George Floyd in the USA will be discussed later this evening:

Part Two of the discussion now follows:

 

[MrSki]

Has this been posted yet? You would have thought that they might be a bit more sensitive in Tottenham these days. Judging by the date it is before the current demonstrations but will they ever learn?

 

[Marty1]

The stakes rise with the power of the police.

That was absolutely ridiculous and unwarranted police thuggery- I’m glad they’re getting prosecuted.

But you’ve got to ask - what the hell were they thinking? Surely that aren’t trained for that kind of behaviour etc?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Surely that aren’t trained for that kind of behaviour etc?

Afraid they are.



ETA:

And PC Simon Harwood, the killer of Ian Tomlinson, was clear about how his actions that day were entirely in keeping with his ‘public order’ training, when he gave evidence at inquest.

 

[GarveyLives]

On 13 March 2020, 26-year-old emergency medical technician, Breonna Taylor, was 'mutilated with bullet holes while in her underwear' when she was shot eight times when police officers entered her apartment in Louisville, Kentucky. They were executing a search warrant as part of a drugs investigation, but no drugs were found in the property.
The police officers were investigating two people suspected of selling drugs, neither of whom was Ms Taylor.

Police fired more than 20 rounds of ammunition into Ms Taylor's home.

There is no body camera footage from the raid.

Breonna Taylor

5 June 1993 – 13 March 2020

Rest In Peace​

​

Last Friday would have been Breonna Taylor’s 27th birthday:

Breonna Taylor's legacy: Caring, 'super goofy' and a devoted paramedic

 

[Idris2002]

Pickman's model, you'll enjoy this one:

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pickman's model, you'll enjoy this one:

Very interesting reading, and definitely with familiar refrains which echo far beyond the shores of California.

 

[Mumbles274]

Pickman's model, you'll enjoy this one:

That was really insightful. Thanks for posting

What's the UK law equivalent of 'I don't answer questions'? Is there one?

 

[8ball]

Pickman's model, you'll enjoy this one:

Wow.

 

[teqniq]

Autralian police not covering themselves in glory here:

Man suffers collapsed lung and broken ribs in 'excessive' use of police force in Victorian jail cell

CCTV footage shows a man of Fijian descent suffering injuries his lawyer says are "akin to a car accident" while being restrained in a Shepparton holding cell.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DaveCinzano]

Autralian police not covering themselves in glory here:

Man suffers collapsed lung and broken ribs in 'excessive' use of police force in Victorian jail cell

CCTV footage shows a man of Fijian descent suffering injuries his lawyer says are "akin to a car accident" while being restrained in a Shepparton holding cell.

www.abc.net.au

Those unfamiliar with the Cameron Doomadgee story may be interested in Chloe Hooper's 2008 book about it, The Tall Man, and the subsequent documentary of the same name.

 

[NoXion]

That was really insightful. Thanks for posting

What's the UK law equivalent of 'I don't answer questions'? Is there one?

Not talking to the police is generally a good idea. Especially if you haven't talked to a solicitor yet.

 

[Pickman's model]

That was really insightful. Thanks for posting

What's the UK law equivalent of 'I don't answer questions'? Is there one?

No comment

 

[two sheds]

Surely you can be more helpful that that

 

[Mumbles274]

No comment

Does that apply to say, being pulled over by police or stopped in the street?

 

[Pickman's model]

Does that apply to say, being pulled over by police or stopped in the street?

Oh I just would stay silent, no comment is for interviews

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hit an old man, win a free holiday.

Can’t help but feel the police penalisation system needs some work.

Abuse and mistreat the public, get a fine. Which will be paid by (checks notes) the public.

 

[two sheds]

Oh I just would stay silent, no comment is for interviews

I've always thought that sounds aggressive, I'd be tempted by something like 'sorry, I need to talk to a lawyer before I can answer you' followed by a repeated 'no, sorry'.

Having said that I'm no lawyer so I don't know whether it affects rights.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You are obliged to give your name and address if asked, unless you have reason to believe they are asking illegally. Failing to give it will always lead to further action though. Other than that they can go fuck themselves.

 

[Athos]

You are obliged to give your name and address if asked...

Generally speaking, you aren't. There's caselaw that confirms that you only have to provide that information where theres a specific legal obligation e.g. under the Road Traffic Act, or if you're reasonably suspected of antisocial behaviour.

... unless you have reason to believe they are asking illegally.

It's hard to conceive of a situation in which they'd be acting illegally by asking you.

Failing to give it will always lead to further action though.

Often it doesn't. I've declined to give my name before, and they've blustered a bit, but then had to let me go on my way.

Other than that they can go fuck themselves.

This is the only bit you got right!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Generally speaking, you aren't. There's caselaw that confirms that you only have to provide that information where theres a specific legal obligation e.g. under the Road Traffic Act, or if you're reasonably suspected of antisocial behaviour.


It's hard to conceive of a situation in which they'd be acting illegally by asking you.


Often it doesn't. I've declined to give my name before, and they've blustered a bit, but then had to let me go on my way.


This is the only bit you got right!

If a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and you refuse to give any details they will not just forget all about it. Any thoughts to the contrary are Fotler nonsense.

 

[Athos]

If a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and you refuse to give any details they will not just forget all about it. Any thoughts to the contrary are Fotler nonsense.

You're moving the goalposts, though. Your original post suggested you're obliged to give those details whenever asked by a police officer (unless they're acting illegally); you're not. Of course, if they have grounds to arrest you, they're more likley to do so if you decline to provide your details. But I've been asked for my details and declined to give them on ore than one occasion, and I just refused and (eventually) walked off becuase they had no lawful basis on which to arrest me (helped by the fact that everything was on video, so they knew they couldn't manufacture anything).

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You're moving the goalposts, though. Your original post suggested you're obliged to give those details whenever asked by a police officer (unless they're acting illegally); you're not. Of course, if they have grounds to arrest you, they're more likley to do so if you decline to provide your details. But I've been asked for my details and declined to give them on ore than one occasion, and I just refused and (eventually) walked off becuase they had no lawful basis on which to arrest me (helped by the fact that everything was on video, so they knew they couldn't manufacture anything).

Old Bill don’t walk down the street asking “What’s yer name, where you from?” to randoms, they are not pilled up at an early 90’s rave ffs.

For anyone reading the thread who wants to know what you have to say when asked, give your name and address or else you will get a load more shit.

 

[Athos]

Old Bill don’t walk down the street asking “What’s yer name, where you from?” to randoms, they are not pilled up at an early 90’s rave ffs.

For anyone reading the thread who wants to know what you have to say when asked, give your name and address or else you will get a load more shit.

The police regularly ask for details you're not obliged to give. Part of they way they exceed their power is by people not knowing their rights, or being scared to assert them. Which isn't helped by incorrect information being given (as you are, now).

It's not a trivial point, either. For those involved in political activity providing that information enables police to build intelligence about networks, associations, movements etc.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The police regularly ask for details you're not obliged to give. Part of they way they exceed their power is by people not knowing their rights, or being scared to assert them. Which isn't helped by incorrect information being given (as you are, now).

Dickhead.

 

[Athos]

Dickhead.

This makes you look even sillier than just saying you got it wrong.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Oh I just would stay silent, no comment is for interviews

I've always thought that sounds aggressive, I'd be tempted by something like 'sorry, I need to talk to a lawyer before I can answer you' followed by a repeated 'no, sorry'.

Having said that I'm no lawyer so I don't know whether it affects rights.

You think that silence sounds aggressive?