Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Late to the convo, (I was in protest/s&s mode) but yeah you will get nicked if stopped/suspected of a driving offence.
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More police brutality than you can shake a stick at.
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Late to the convo, (I was in protest/s&s mode) but yeah you will get nicked if stopped/suspected of a driving offence.
Athos
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verb (used with object), o·bliged, o·blig·ing.
to require or constrain, as by law, command, conscience, or force of necessity.
Have you ever had any dealings with the police? Not heading to some poxy demo with your socialist worker banner, but as a suspect in a serious matter, one that you may or may not have done? You seem to have some wanky student ideals of how these things work.
Ok, you keep wriggling, trying to make out that by 'obliged' you meant that everyone is 'constrained by a force of necessity' (which, incidentally is demonstrably untrue), rather than required by law.
I doubt anyone believes you, but, if you need that to save face, knock yourself out.Yes, I've had plenty of dealings with the police, in political (e.g. marches and conter-demos) and non- political (e.g. football) contexts. Including being arrested and detained (albeit released without charge).
And, for the record, I've not been a student for 20 years, and I've never carried a Socialist Worker banner!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Ok, you keep wriggling, trying to make out that by 'obliged' you meant that everyone is 'constrained by a force of necessity' (which, incidentally is demonstrably untrue), rather than required by law.
Yes, I've had plenty of dealings with the police, in political (e.g. marches and conter-demos) and non- political (e.g. football) contexts. Including being arrested and detained (albeit released without charge).
And, for the record, I've not been a student for 20 years, and I've never carried a Socialist Worker banner!
So that's a no then.
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Athos
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Err... did you read my reply? The answer is 'yes'; I have had the sorts of interactions with the police you asked about.
But I suspect you knew that; your post was just a weak attempt to deflect attention away from ther fact you've made a tit of yourself, and compounded it by wriggling.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
You said demos and the football. Go Vern!
Athos
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I said "e.g.".
Your question was whether I've had dealings with the police as a suspect in a serious matter; I confirmed I have - to the extent I've been arrested.
But this is all a smokescreen anyway. Are you still sticking to your claim that:
"You are obliged to give your name and address if asked, unless you have reason to believe they are asking illegally."
If so, can you explain why that supposed obligation applies even if you are not legally required to provide it, but doesn't apply if you believe they're acting illegally? Because if your argument is that the obligation is a 'force of necessity' insofar as they will arrest you if you don't do what they say (regardless of what the law says), then its hard to see why that wouldn't occur equally in the second situation.
I suspect the answer is that you offered up that explanation later, whereas what you originally meant is that you are legally obliged (which is incorrect).
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I already have, it is you who has decided to interpret what I wrote in the way you have and have spent the afternoon running away with that. We're all a bit bored right now, so fill yer boots gangsta man.
Athos
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No, you haven't. You tried to wriggle with the 'force of necessity' interpretation (i.e. that, regardless of the legal position, you have to do what they say), but you've not explained the inconsistency between that and the idea that you wouldn't have to give your details if you thought their request was illegal; the two are obviously contradictory. That's because your point is clearly bollocks, cobbled together after the fact to save face (at which it fails).
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i never thought i'd say this but perhaps we could get back to the brutality which has been such a feature of this thread
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I have never been stopped by the police while simply walking (or standing) about, minding my own business. If that was the case, I might feel I could easily argue niceties of lawand stand on my legal rights. As it is, on every ocassion I have come to their attention (sadly far too many), it has been only too feasible for Plod to make my life more irritating because I often have something to be guilty of...or in a place where I possibly shouldn't be...or with someone who is a bit dodge and if there are record checks, that's another level of shitness...and so on. So it is nearly always better to comply with the easy stuff to avoid dealing with the potential worse stuff later...such as anything entailing a home visit...or a search or a fine. I don't think there is a stock answer...and a lot depends on who you are...but you know...you have to allow for general cuntiness and do a risk assessment.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
It probably didn't hurt their chances of IDing you that they planted an undercover (or more) on the buses
Athos
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Yes, there are lots occasions when it'd make sense to choose to provide details to avoid further grief. Just that there's no general obligation to provide them when asked, as was claimed.
That yawning gap between theory and practice (reality)...If you are young, working class, BAME - the police will also be looking to move the goalposts...and ime, the criteria used by the police to justify a stop and search, for example, is still sufficiently vague and open-ended. I just think it is prudent to trust your own instincts rather than relying on legalities (which are not always accessible for a lot of us). I am kinda with Bahnhoff on that one.
That yawning gap between theory and practice (reality)...If you are young, working class, BAME - the police will also be looking to move the goalposts...and ime, the criteria used by the police to justify a stop and search, for example, is still sufficiently vague and open-ended. I just think it is prudent to trust your own instincts rather than relying on legalities (which are not always accessible for a lot of us). I am kinda with Bahnhoff on that one.
Athos
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I'm not arguing against that either. My only point was that it's wrong to imply there's a legal obligation. I think it's important that people know their rights, even if there might be good reasons not to assert them in some circumstances.
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pinkychukkles
Feed Your Head
Mexico mourns young footballer shot dead as outrage grows over police abuse
Protests are planned after the death of 16-year-old US-born Alexander Martínez Gómez, killed by police as he rode his motorbike
Watching that video really got me.
Anju
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And they're still shooting people in the back. The guy isn't armed, isn't attacking them and clearly just wanted to get away.
Atlanta police shoot, kill Black motorist on video in Wendy's parking lot
Atlanta police shoot, kill Black motorist on video in Wendy's parking lot
GarveyLives
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Racism campaigners call for Independent Office for Police Conduct to be abolished
Further discussion of this and related issues is scheduled for later today:
Further discussion of this and related issues is scheduled for later today:
Numbers
an ting!
Nurse Neomi Bennett 'racially profiled' in arrest
British Empire Medal recipient Neomi Bennett overturned her conviction for obstructing police.
www.bbc.co.uk
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Nurse Neomi Bennett 'racially profiled' in arrest
British Empire Medal recipient Neomi Bennett overturned her conviction for obstructing police.www.bbc.co.uk
So she's had a year of being dragged through the courts and having her life fucked over
New Zealand police shooting: Man charged with murder after hunt
Fatal shooting marks the first time in 11 years a New Zealand officer is killed in the line of duty.
www.bbc.co.uk
Someone had enough of NZ police executions. Adjusted for population, those bastards in NZ shoot 13 times the number of people the UK police do.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
So she's had a year of being dragged through the courts and having her life fucked over
Standard. This is done deliberately to delay legal action against the police and expend what resources their victims may have for legal representation etc.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Intimidation.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Nothing says "land of the free" quite like having the pigs kitted out like Imperial Stormtroopers. If only they were as accurate...
Callum91
Let them eat cock
She was told rather clearly several times why she was pulled over and yet she claims not to know why the police are there? How about ''Oh I'm so sorry officer I didn't know it was an offence, of course I'll comply''?
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