More police brutality than you can shake a stick at.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This makes you look even sillier than just saying you got it wrong.

No, if a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and asks your name and address only a dickhead would refuse, as that refusal will escalate the situation.

Of course, being the superior smug prick that you are, the filth often ask you for these details cos they don’t suspect you of wrongdoing, they just see how fucking awesome you are and ask out of curiosity as to what manner of man could possibly be so fucking wonderful.

For everyone else, give your name and address unless you want nicking.

 

[Spymaster]

The police regularly ask for details you're not obliged to give. Part of they way they exceed their power is by people not knowing their rights, or being scared to assert them.

In fairness, it rarely pays to dick coppers around if they're just asking questions. As youngsters a load of us got stopped in Piccadilly Circus and asked for our names. Everyone just gave them except for one bloke who insisted he wasn't obliged to tell them. He was right, but he spent the evening in the back of a police van behind Trafalgar Square whilst the rest of us went on the piss. Great victory

 

[Athos]

No, if a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and asks your name and address only a dickhead would refuse, as that refusal will escalate the situation.

Of course, being the superior smug prick that you are, the filth often ask you for these details cos they don’t suspect you of wrongdoing, they just see how fucking awesome you are and ask out of curiosity as to what manner of man could possibly be so fucking wonderful.

For everyone else, give your name and address unless you want nicking.

Again, that's different from what you originally said; you've added a crucial qualifier about being suspected of something. I've never argued against the idea that, if the alternative is arrest, it might be better to give your details.

You may not realise, but police often ask people at or going to/from demos and protests for their details where there's no obligation to provide them, and where they'd have no reasonable basis for arrest. I can see no reason to help them gather intelligence by providing it voluntarily.

 

[Pickman's model]

Old Bill don’t walk down the street asking “What’s yer name, where you from?” to randoms, they are not pilled up at an early 90’s rave ffs.

For anyone reading the thread who wants to know what you have to say when asked, give your name and address or else you will get a load more shit.

I've seen them in court say they ask people all manner of questions they're under no obligation to answer. Simple silence always the best option.

 

[Pickman's model]

In fairness, it rarely pays to dick coppers around if they're just asking questions. As youngsters a load of us got stopped in Piccadilly Circus and asked for our names. Everyone gave them except for one bloke who insisted he wasn't obliged to tell them. He was right, but he spent the evening in the back of a police van behind Trafalgar Square while the rest of us went on the piss. Great victory

Yeh. And if he'd sued the cops as he should have done and got several grand for his evening's captivity you'd not be so cock-a-hoop now

 

[Spymaster]

And if he'd sued the cops ...

Yeah, right!

 

[Athos]

In fairness, it rarely pays to dick coppers around if they're just asking questions. As youngsters a load of us got stopped in Piccadilly Circus and asked for our names. Everyone just gave them except for one bloke who insisted he wasn't obliged to tell them. He was right, but he spent the evening in the back of a police van behind Trafalgar Square whilst the rest of us went on the piss. Great victory

Things were different in the 50s.

 

[Pickman's model]

In fairness, it rarely pays to dick coppers around if they're just asking questions. As youngsters a load of us got stopped in Piccadilly Circus and asked for our names. Everyone just gave them except for one bloke who insisted he wasn't obliged to tell them. He was right, but he spent the evening in the back of a police van behind Trafalgar Square whilst the rest of us went on the piss. Great victory

The police have no power to detain for purposes of identification.

 

[Spymaster]

Yeah. So obviously they don't ! They didn't detain him to ID him (he says he still didn't tell them). They did it to be cunts.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Banyard (Athos) : I don't know why you kowtow to that man, Grout.
Fletcher (Non-dickhead) : I know you don't, Mr Banyard. That's why your nose looks like it does.

 

[NoXion]

If a cop wants to make trouble for you, then they'll do it, regardless of whether of whether you're legally required to divulge your identity. Playing along with them won't stop that. So you might as well keep your mouth shut.

 

[two sheds]

You think that silence sounds aggressive?

No, I was talking about 'No comment'. Not really aggressive but liable to get their backs up. It was relevant to me since it would have been for carrying drugs back in the day and the couple of times I did get stopped I was polite and I didn't get hassled.

It's like when someone says to a reporter 'No comment' and it gets put like that in the paper - it looks like they've got something to hide. Saying something like "I'm sorry, I can't say anything yet" doesn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I was talking about 'No comment'. Not really aggressive but liable to get their backs up. It was relevant to me since it would have been for carrying drugs back in the day and the couple of times I did get stopped I was polite and I didn't get hassled.

It's like when someone says to a reporter 'No comment' and it gets put like that in the paper - it looks like they've got something to hide. Saying something like "I'm sorry, I can't say anything yet" doesn't.

Fuck their backs, it's what any court decides that's important and whether it's NC or isicsay it's a lot better than singing like a canary

 

[Athos]

Banyard (Athos) : I don't know why you kowtow to that man, Grout.
Fletcher (Non-dickhead) : I know you don't, Mr Banyard. That's why your nose looks like it does.

I don't know why you're so worked up about this. If you (or anyone) prefer to provide details because you're scared of what the police might do if you stand up to them, you can. I was just pointing out that what you said about being obliged to is completely wrong.

 

[SpookyFrank]

No, if a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and asks your name and address only a dickhead would refuse, as that refusal will escalate the situation.

Horseshit. Situations don't escalate themselves. The police could quite easily accept that this person who has every right to withhold their details has done so, and take their inquiries elsewhere. If they choose not to do that and to kick off instead to that's on them, not on anyone else.

 

[SpookyFrank]

For everyone else, give your name and address unless you want nicking.

If police arrest you solely for refusing to give details when under no legal obligation to do so, that would be a wrongful arrest and you would be entitled to compensation.

 

[two sheds]

Fuck their backs, it's what any court decides that's important and whether it's NC or isicsay it's a lot better than singing like a canary

Who's singing like a canary? I'm talking about being able to wander off unmolested rather than getting a full search when I had spliff on me along with all that results in.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Your experiences, if you’ve had any actual real, non-fantasy ones, are very different to mine. Either I have been up to something and I choose to give false details and hope that’ll do, or I give real ones and hope that’ll do. Stay silent and you go to the station, always. They will always fanny up a reason to do so.

Athos , look up what obliged actually means and explain how, given the above, force of necessity does not apply in this instance.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Horseshit. Situations don't escalate themselves. The police could quite easily accept that this person who has every right to withhold their details has done so, and take their inquiries elsewhere. If they choose not to do that and to kick off instead to that's on them, not on anyone else.

Funniest ever post.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Bahnhof Strasse you've managed to make me agree with Athos ffs. You have to be a pretty weapons-grade level of wrong to make that happen.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bahnhof Strasse you've managed to make me agree with Athos ffs. You have to be a pretty weapons-grade level of wrong to make that happen.

Serves you right for posting such drivel as...

The police could quite easily accept that this person who has every right to withhold their details has done so, and take their inquiries elsewhere

 

[Athos]

Your experiences, if you’ve had any actual real, non-fantasy ones, are very different to mine. Either I have been up to something and I choose to give false details and hope that’ll do, or I give real ones and hope that’ll do. Stay silent and you go to the station, always. They will always fanny up a reason to do so.

Athos , look up what obliged actually means and explain how, given the above, force of necessity does not apply in this instance.

Then your experiences are different from mine. I've declined on a number of occasions without ending up at the station. On occasion they've harrumphed a bit, but when it's clear they can't bluff me into doing it and that they have no grounds for arrest, it's over.

Trying to stretch the definition of 'obliged' is pure sophistry. Clearly, you incorrectly thought that there is a legal requirement.

You could just say that you were wrong about that, but that, in some circumstances, it's less grief to give them than to refuse. I'd not disagree with that.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Dunno if anyone’s mentioned it, but you’re only legally obliged to give your details when in court.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who's singing like a canary? I'm talking about being able to wander off unmolested rather than getting a full search when I had spliff on me along with all that results in.

No one is. I'm simply saying whatever you say, say nothing

 

[Athos]

Bahnhof Strasse you've managed to make me agree with Athos ffs. You have to be a pretty weapons-grade level of wrong to make that happen.

Think of it as your 'stopped clock' moment.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Serves you right for posting such drivel as...

The police could quite easily accept that this person who has every right to withhold their details has done so, and take their inquiries elsewhere

So you're saying it's physically impossible for a police officer to behave in accordance with the law and respect the right of a private individual to withhold their name and address when under no legal obligation to provide it?

Most coppers are actually aware that their powers are not limitless. Which makes you thicker than most coppers, an alarming state of affairs indeed.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, if a copper suspects you of wrongdoing and asks your name and address only a dickhead would refuse, as that refusal will escalate the situation.

Of course, being the superior smug prick that you are, the filth often ask you for these details cos they don’t suspect you of wrongdoing, they just see how fucking awesome you are and ask out of curiosity as to what manner of man could possibly be so fucking wonderful.

For everyone else, give your name and address unless you want nicking.

When I was at Fairford I refused to give my details which was undermined when a copper walked by and gave the searching officers my name

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Then your experiences are different from mine. I've declined on a number of occasions without ending up at the station. On occasion they've harrumphed a bit, but when it's clear they can't bluff me into doing it and that they have no grounds for arrest, it's over.

Trying to stretch the definition of 'obliged' is pure sophistry. Clearly, you incorrectly thought that there is a legal requirement.

You could just say that you were wrong about that, but that, in some circumstances, it's less grief to give them than to refuse. I'd not disagree with that.

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verb (used with object), o·bliged, o·blig·ing.
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Have you ever had any dealings with the police? Not heading to some poxy demo with your socialist worker banner, but as a suspect in a serious matter, one that you may or may not have done? You seem to have some wanky student ideals of how these things work.

 

[Athos]

Dunno if anyone’s mentioned it, but you’re only legally obliged to give your details when in court.

This isn't true either. There are specific pieces of legislation which make it a legal obligation e.g. s.165 Road Traffic Act 1988.

 

[two sheds]

No one is. I'm simply saying whatever you say, say nothing

Yep, totally agree. As I say though I've found that saying nothing without getting their backs up has worked well for me. Different circumstances I'd have perhaps played it differently.