Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Cameron is not on his way out! You've seriously underestimated him of you think that is the case
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
All political lives end in failure. The clock is ticking on Disco Dave.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Is there a need for it? What they did was illegal, the PCC was incompetent. Why do we need more regulation and privacy laws? What we have hasn't been allowed to work properly. We should fix that first.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
The strict regulations on broadcast media seem to work well... there's some great investigatory work on TV and radio without all the bullshit of much of the print media
The newspapers always seem to throw up these titanic arseholes such as Murdoch, Maxwell, Black and Richard Desmond who act as boils on the body politic, whereas the broadcast media doesn't. Why?
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Fantastic! He hasn't been home for three days and is a wanted man
I think Paul McMullan is rapidly becoming the man of the hour
aye, the other thread suggests everyone wants to regulate hari's "press freedoms"
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yet your critical thinking would allow for protection of the poor but not the rich? You would like a category of undeserving rich for whom all tactics are fair game? How sensible a piece of critical thinking is that?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
He has the haunted persona of a man going through a very sticky divorce with a vindictive ex. Times ten. Brilliant!Fantastic! He hasn't been home for three days and is a wanted man
I think Paul McMullan is rapidly becoming the man of the hour
With performances like this it's no wonder the Guardian are happy to pay his legal fees
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He has the persona of a man going through a very sticky divorce with a vindictive ex. Times ten. Brilliant
With performances like this no wonder the Guardian are happy to pay his legal fees
That clip was great. I haven't seen him saying the same stuff on UK TV. Has he? Coulson and Brooks should defininely be prosecuted and James Murdoch and his old man should get their time in porridge, too.
editor
hiraethified
Having your phone hacked is not a 'downside' of success. It's a criminal act.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Specifically, it's a criminal act under RIPA 2000:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Quite separate are the literally thousands of potential civil suits (for damages), for which the burden of proof is lower than it is for RIPA.
Combined with the public inquiries - two or even three - which may reveal the extent of culpability among managers, this will run in the public domain for 3-4 years at least. Caveat: we don't know the terms or personel on the PIs yet.
In terms of the NI/Murdoch power complex, this is an epic blow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Quite separate are the literally thousands of potential civil suits (for damages), for which the burden of proof is lower than it is for RIPA.
Combined with the public inquiries - two or even three - which may reveal the extent of culpability among managers, this will run in the public domain for 3-4 years at least. Caveat: we don't know the terms or personel on the PIs yet.
In terms of the NI/Murdoch power complex, this is an epic blow.
Riklet
procrastinación
Only just got back to the UK and started reading about it all really (getting a text about NOTW demise was pretty nice!), but surely lots of the info dredged up must have been acquired through the police? Phone numbers etc? So are the police are investigating possible corruption in their own ranks now, and their own link to the various sordid behaviour of journalists...?
This shit storm is going to grow and grow, hope Brooks' head rolls soon.
This shit storm is going to grow and grow, hope Brooks' head rolls soon.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
spot on. the thought did cross my mind yesterday and i thought i was just being too cynical ...
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Who is "they"?
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
Good column in the Graun by Marina Hyde today.
editor
hiraethified
Here's a good video piece by Guardian journo Nick Davies giving the background to how the phone hacking was uncovered and how the story developed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/vid...hone-hacking-nick-davies-rupert-murdoch-video
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/vid...hone-hacking-nick-davies-rupert-murdoch-video
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
He's like a cheap drink poured into a secondhand suit...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Learn some history, for fuck's sake.
That people buy a tabloid that indulges in disreputable and shoddy behaviour doesn't signify that they have no politics, or are complicit with or informed about those tactics in any way except paying the cover price. Have a look at the John Bull/Horatio Bottomley saga, for example.
Generally, the politics of reaction. Papers like The Sun and the NOTW act as a foundation for so-called "traditional politics". Assuming that they speak only to individualism and selfishness is buffoonery.
The above is snobbery pure and simple - The stating of a position where non-condemnation becomes an act of complicity for which you, on your moral high ground, can castigate people who don't conform to your own prejudices.
Papers like The Sun are expressions of "working class culture", just as they're expressions of middle-class culture and ruling class culture. If your thinking was more analytical and less emotional, you'd realise that, just like many of the readership of the red-tops do. That the papers themselves claim to be rooted in and expressive of working class culture may be only true in the limited sense of promoting/reporting certain parts of "working class culture", but to assume that much of the readership doesn't realise that is as insulting of "the working classes" as the assumptions by the publishers that they represent anything but a snapshot of working class culture.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't wish to see "more regulation of the press".
What I want to see is effective regulation of the press, if there has to be regulation at all, not this half-arsed old boy's club effort we currently have.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
The Sun, like Eastenders, is produced by middle-class people through the warped lens of what they think working-class culture is all about. Shit made by ponces fed to the masses.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I agree that he's not "on his way out".
However, he has lost credibility, both with his party and with the voting public, and there's not much he can do to repair that damage. If things go no worse for him he may be able to transcend that damage in time. If things continue to be revealed, and he gets well and truly tarred with the Coulson brush, entropy might be given a helping hand.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
So you want to the PPC replaced by a government sponsored body like Offcom with similar rules such as not being allowed to declare who can vote for what?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The fact that "the masses" consume it doesn't mean that "the masses" don't realise that it's "...produced by middle-class people through the warped lens of what they think working-class culture is all about", though, which is the point I'm making. LBJ was sounding off as though the entire readership of The Sun were political naifs without the intellect to realise the paper they read is a vehicle for a certain set of "values", and that they'd absorb and reflect those values wholesale.
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