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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

ymu said:
The Met accused NI of leaking information about the corrupt police officers. Peston has been writing those stories. It doesn't take much to work out where he's getting his information from, which is why lots of journalists have been 'muttering'.

If that's still too much for you to get your head around, ask nicely for a source and you might get one.
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It's almost like The Guardian doesn't exist. Peston is the Business Editor of a public broadcaster, you know that?
 
London_Calling said:
It's almost like The Guardian doesn't exist. Peston is the Business Editor of a public broadcaster, you know that?
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so it's impossible for him to become to close to a source, just because he is Business Editor? If you are scrupulous in such a position you explicitly dont hang out with the likes of Brooks, so as to remain impartial
 
It all depends whether you think Peston should be allowing himself to be a conduit for NI news management purposes or not. This isn't about him running some stories he got from Brooks. These are the specific stories the Met issued a press release about yesterday.

It really isn't that difficult to get your head around.
 
gavman said:
so how much critical thinking is going on at the heart of the anti-paedophile campaigns, or even the debate on drugs, as conducted by the tabloids?
or rational debate?
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You're talking about how the tabloids conduct themselves and exert influence on their many readers.

If there were a vast swathe of the UK population (6 million readers of The Sun, 3 million sales per day, for example) who are "hysterical idiots", why haven't we seen mass social disruption on a scale consonant with those readership numbers? Even if we pared that 6 million down by 90%, to six hundred thousand, we still haven't seen social unrest on the issue of, say, paedophiles consonant with that many [Sun readers being dupes.

Do you know why not? Because contrary to the lack of critical thinking you attribute to them, the vast majority of Sun readers, NOTW readers etc are able to think critically, and do so. They separate the froth from the core information.

the hysterical idiots drown out reasoned debate, and i'm absolutelyfree to call them that because i suffer the hounding from the police forces working to their idiotic anti-soft drugs agenda
i don't need to see an academic paper on something to form an opinion. when being poked with a sharp stick i don't need any back up to say 'i'm being poked with a sharp stick'
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Simplistic, arrogant and wrong-headed.

and i never set myself up as 'enlightened', i just used the test of how an enlightened person might respond
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Now you're floundering into sophistry.

Have a word with yourself.
 
ymu said:
It all depends whether you think Peston should be allowing himself to be a conduit for NI news management purposes or not.
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Tough one. It was and is a story. In any other week it, by itself, would have been a lead story all week.

If your concern was to maximise damage to Murdoch, you'd run it later - possibly much later.

If your concern was to focus attention - for the moment - away from bent cops, you'd run it later. And the Met would be pleased.

And when it came out that you'd had it and sat on it, fingers would be pointed... is Peston too keen to please the Met?
 
laptop said:
Tough one. It was and is a story. In any other week it, by itself, would have been a lead story all week.

If your concern was to maximise damage to Murdoch, you'd run it later - possibly much later.

If your concern was to focus attention - for the moment - away from bent cops, you'd run it later. And the Met would be pleased.

And when it came out that you'd had it and sat on it, fingers would be pointed... is Peston too keen to please the Met?
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We're not talking about pleasing the Met. This is an attempt by NI to manage the news in their favour and possibly pervert the course of justice. And he has to have known that, because there is no other reason NI would leak dirt on themselves.

It's piss poor.
 
ymu said:
I answered a direct question from BA. Why are you now pretending you understand the answer when you clearly don't?

The Met accused NI of leaking information about the corrupt police officers. Peston has been writing those stories. It doesn't take much to work out where he's getting his information from, which is why lots of journalists have been 'muttering'.

If that's still too much for you to get your head around, ask nicely for a source and you might get one.


E2A: no need. BA has more patience.
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It's not just Peston who has those stories - the Guardian does too.
 
ymu said:
We're not talking about pleasing the Met. This is an attempt by NI to manage the news in their favour and possibly pervert the course of justice. And he has to have known that, because there is no other reason NI would leak dirt on themselves.
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Indeed it does appear to be that attempt.

Also, the Met has an interest in managing news in its favour, directing attention away from bent cops (and Haywood and Yates) and toward bent hacks who've betrayed their close relationship.

Once given the story - damned if you run it, damned if you don't.

(The option of running it, with an intro reading "Rebecca B leaked me, in strict confidence, this story about crimes she was responsible to divert attention from her other crimes and she's an evil cow so now I'm betraying my confidential source and thereby setting a precedent that will harm all other journalists in the future, but it's worth it..." is simply too complicated to come up in the middle of a fast-breaking mega-story, I think.)
 
Oh, ffs! This is ridiculous. :mad:

On the Today programme this morning Christopher Graham, the information commissioner, made much the same point. He said that blagging was an offence under the Data Protection Act, but that it attracted a "rather puny penalty". The last Labour government actually passed a law bringing in a much tougher penalty, he said. But this law has never been enacted because of opposition from the press, he went on.


We really need to get a serious penalty in place to stop this happening ... Frankly, we need to say to people 'You will go to prison if you do this'. The serious penalty that is needed has been on the statute book since 2008 - Section 77 of the 2008 Criminal Justice Act provides for a custodial sentence of up to two years in the Crown Court, but it has been suspended for three years because of a stand-off between the Press and the politicians.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/12/phone-hacking-scandal-live-coverage
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re: Peston

iirc Private Eye have had a few bits and pieces about his friendship with Will 'Thirsty' Lewis.

I've just chucked a load out for recylcling so can't check sadly.
 
laptop said:
Indeed it does appear to be that attempt.

Also, the Met has an interest in managing news in its favour, directing attention away from bent cops (and Haywood and Yates) and toward bent hacks who've betrayed their close relationship.

Once given the story - damned if you run it, damned if you don't.

(The option of running it, with an intro reading "Rebecca B leaked me, in strict confidence, this story about crimes she was responsible to divert attention from her other crimes and she's an evil cow so now I'm betraying my confidential source and thereby setting a precedent that will harm all other journalists in the future, but it's worth it..." is simply too complicated to come up in the middle of a fast-breaking mega-story, I think.)
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He named people accused of a criminal offence, who had not yet been arrested. Given that his source is herself being investigated for criminal activity, including having a copper followed and harrassed whilst on a murder investigation, he should have had both the nowse and the integrity to ring up the Met for comment before publishing.

He knew what he was doing. Like NI, he's still not got his head out of the era when this shit was normal and untouchable. I hope he's dragged himself well and truly into it and placed his head irretrievably on the block. The sermonising hypocritical shitcunt.
 
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