Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[purves grundy]

From what I have gathered on this thread some people are more interested in fighting and even showing off on the internet. I have been following it on reddit:

Paris Shootings Live Thread

Not much to see:

As some of the contributors have gone offline and as there's a thread with 2x as much viewers on /r/europe, I have decided to close this thread.

 

[DrRingDing]

I'm not interested in having this argument with you. I've already explained why I think the Tricolore represents something else, but really that's neither here nor there. Your posts present you as, at best, having a lack of human empathy and a really fucking weird sense of priority. I'm not suggesting that really is the case, but it's certainly how it looks.

It doesn't matter what you or lbj or any guardian ruffler thinks it represents. How can this be exploited? ...and by whom?

I do sympathise with what has happened but I see a lot more suffering elsewhere that people don't get all 'people's princess' about.

 

[DotCommunist]

I thought france germany and italy all had national ID card schemes anyway, non passport but state led and good enough to travel on/placate a policeman

 

[DrRingDing]

isis

next

Just ISIS?

 

[Pickman's model]

I can explain but I cannot understand for you.

tbh you're not doing well on the explaining.

 

[bluescreen]

Does everyone carry passports in France, or just suicide bombers?

It's the law:

L’article 78-1 du Code de procédure pénale précise, à titre liminaire, que toute personne se trouvant sur le territoire français doit accepter de se prêter à un contrôle d’identité.
and
article L. 611-1 du Code de l’entrée et du séjour des étrangers en France, « les personnes de nationalité étrangère doivent être en mesure de présenter les pièces ou documents sous le couvert desquels elles sont autorisées à circuler ou à séjourner en France à toute réquisition des officiers de police judiciaire »

Code de l'entrée et du séjour des étrangers et du droit d'asile. | Legifrance

 

[Citizen66]

Who do you think might be trying to exploit this situation?

How does Facebook profile pics translate to support?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just ISIS?

hmg, eu, nato. quite a few interest groups at work atm.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

Not much to see:

No its closed now.

 

[cesare]

I thought france germany and italy all had national ID card schemes anyway, non passport but state led and good enough to travel on/placate a policeman

With France you have to be able to produce identity documents when required (or present them within 4hours at a police station). ID docs can be passport, photo driving licence or some form of govt body documentation.

 

[DrRingDing]

How does Facebook profile pics translate to support?

Whatever reasons you post something it's not necessarily going to be interpreted how you wish. Even though there will no doubt be a load of veiled racism behind a lot of this nonsense.

 

[DrRingDing]

hmg, eu, nato. quite a few interest groups at work atm.

Would you say that maybe the far right will be licking their lips over this?

 

[bimble]

If you read on, you'll see that Malik addresses that.

That (RADICALIZATION IS NOT SO SIMPLE) actually helped shed some new light (for me) on what's going on. Day spent on U75 not entirely wasted then.

 

[Pickman's model]

Would you say that maybe the far right will be licking their lips over this?

i'd have thought they'd have more practical things to do. so, no.

 

[Pickman's model]

That (RADICALIZATION IS NOT SO SIMPLE) actually helped shed some new light (for me) on what's going on. Day spent on U75 not entirely wasted then.

time on urban75 is never time wasted.

 

[Citizen66]

Whatever reasons you post something it's not necessarily going to be interpreted how you wish. Even though there will no doubt be a load of veiled racism behind a lot of this nonsense.

In some cases yes, in others no. it isn't an accurate gauge of anything never mind driving sudden far right support in France (from the UK!)

 

[gawkrodger]

French far-right disrupting vigil in Lille (and people at vigil tell 'em to do one)

Far-right protesters who stormed silent a Paris vigil have been chased away

 

[Pickman's model]

With France you have to be able to produce identity documents when required (or present them within 4hours at a police station). ID docs can be passport, photo driving licence or some form of govt body documentation.

i would have thought possession of an assault rifle trumped this legal requirement.

 

[2hats]

Stenography would be easily detected.

Detection can be overwhelmed.

 

[DrRingDing]

In some cases yes, in others no. it isn't an accurate gauge of anything never mind driving sudden far right support in France (from the UK!)

Numpties in the UK waving french flags will be raising nationalism here.

 

[agricola]

Numpties in the UK waving french flags will be raising nationalism here.

Such pro-French musings have not been seen since King John's day.

 

[DrRingDing]

Detection can be overwhelmed.

You may as well use a peer reviewed encryption method to overcome this issue rather using more effort than necessary to communicate.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stenography would be easily detected.

yeh, pitman and so on hold no secrets for the police.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't want to over do the Kenan Malik quotes, but I think this transcription of a talk he gave is relevant:

RADICALIZATION IS NOT SO SIMPLE

"The real starting point for the making of a homegrown jihadi is not ‘radicalization’ but social disengagement, a sense of estrangement from, resentment of, Western society. It is because they have already rejected mainstream culture, ideas and norms that some Muslims search for an alternative vision of the world. It is not surprising that many wannabe jihadis are either converts to Islam, or Muslims who discovered their faith only relatively late. In both cases, disenchantment with what else is on offer has led them to the black and white moral code that is Islamism. It is not, in other words, a question of being ‘groomed’ or ‘indoctrinated’ but of losing faith in mainstream moral frameworks and searching for an alternative."

Good piece. Reflects a lot of what we discuss on here wrt id politics and the weirdly fragmented ideas behind the particular form of multiculturalism that actually reinforce difference.

 

[danny la rouge]

Does everyone carry passports in France, or just suicide bombers?

Everyone carries ID. It doesn't have to be the national identity card (Carte nationale d’identité), but it does have to be a government issued identity document, preferably with photo ID if you don't want hours of Kafka-like bureaucracy. My daughter lives in France and carries her UK driving licence.

 

[danny la rouge]

Good piece. Reflects a lot of what we discuss on here wrt id politics and the weirdly fragmented ideas behind the particular form of multiculturalism that actually reinforce difference.

It's long, but it really is worth reading.

 

[chilango]

I thought france germany and italy all had national ID card schemes anyway, non passport but state led and good enough to travel on/placate a policeman

i've an Italian ID card somewhere.

 

[IC3D]

Everyone carries ID.

Also you are required to put a photo on your CV and in the case of people from the french carrabean have adopted french names I've been told can lead to ambiguity when turned down for jobs

 

[DrRingDing]

French far-right disrupting vigil in Lille (and people at vigil tell 'em to do one)

Far-right protesters who stormed silent a Paris vigil have been chased away

Thick twats. They should have played it cool and integrated with the vigil, spoke to people. No chuck firecrackers around

 

[trashpony]

People don't carry passports, they carry identity cards. It's the law that you must carry them at all times, once you're an adult. You don't need a passport to travel within Schengen countries - an ID card is enough