Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[LDC]

And just in case I missed it on here and for clarity, IS are claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks, and saying they're in response to France's airstrikes in Syria.

 

[Pickman's model]

Kim Howells being a right dick, again
'This could have been London or Cardiff or anywhere. It is a holy war'

everywhere is rotterdam anywhere at all

 

[LDC]

.

 

[mauvais]

Many people are saying that, but is there anything actually documented or reported from IS members directly that's it's an important part of the strategy rather than people endlessly stating it as an unquestionable fact?

And just in case I missed it on here and for clarity, IS are claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks, and saying they're in response to France's airstrikes in Syria.

Is there actually any evidence that "ISIS", as the global phenomenon being experienced rather than more local efforts, has any more of a coherent structure than a bunch of people with no actual connection going, 'that seems like a good idea'?

 

[Favelado]

I dunno, if I was in Paris today and heard a load of firecrackers go off nearby I might jump a bit - and also jump to a erroneous conclusion about what they were. I'd say the stupid ones are the people throwing firecrackers around in Paris today tbh.

I mean it's fucking stupid to set them off today. Maybe pull that bit of your wedding plan.

 

[bimble]

And just in case I missed it on here and for clarity, IS are claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks, and saying they're in response to France's airstrikes in Syria.

yep. whether connected to 'high command' or just people acting in its name unclear of course.

 

[Pickman's model]

And just in case I missed it on here and for clarity, IS are claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks, and saying they're in response to France's airstrikes in Syria.

let me ask you this, do you think anyone would brlieve such an attack would lead to france pulling out its planes? of course not, one of the aims of this attack is to tie france more firmly into the war, to escalate it.

 

[LDC]

let me ask you this, do you think anyone would brlieve such an attack would lead to france pulling out its planes? of course not, one of the aims of this attack is to tie france more firmly into the war, to escalate it.

No I don't. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'd be interested to see some of their strategic discussion rather than just assume it's true because everyone keeps saying it.

 

[critical1]

Who funds terrorists?

 

[LDC]

Who funds terrorists?

Specifically in this case, or are you just thinking out loud more generally?

 

[Mation]

I mean it's fucking stupid to set them off today. Maybe pull that bit of your wedding plan.

They might not have known. If your wedding is in the morning you might not be watching the news. And the guests, who might have known, wouldn't necessarily know of the wedding plans for firecrackers. Perhaps unlikely, but certainly possible.

 

[bimble]

Who funds terrorists?

UK and Saudi Arabia 'in secret deal' over human rights council place

 

[teqniq]

Who funds terrorists?

IS originally received funds from wealthy Gulf benefactors and may still do so but they have become somewhat self-sufficient what with the oil and the slavery.

 

[SovietArmy]

Who funds terrorists?

That what I asking all the time.

 

[Favelado]

They might not have known.

Someone would have told them!

 

[weltweit]

Perhaps French President Holland was not a specific target, but the terrorists who blew themselves up at the stadium were quite close to him.

 

[Mation]

Someone would have told them!

On their wedding day? Anyway - this is unimportant (our speculation about it).

 

[Maurice Picarda]

IS originally received funds from wealthy Gulf benefactors and may still do so but they have become somewhat self-sufficient what with the oil and the slavery.

Kidnapping and extortion as well, of course.

 

[teqniq]

True

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just been reported that he's cancelled!

Was the golden lemon on the crack pipe last night?

Nah, he's just been sniffing the aroma of his own self-righteousness.

 

[Spymaster]

here, for anyone else who didn't know either: Schengen Area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think folk were just a bit surprised that an intelligent, well travelled man like yourself hadn't heard of Schengen.

 

[weltweit]

The BBC censors are at work, videos from Paris are now having evidence of dead bodies blurred out, ffs we know people were killed, blurring images is ridiculous.

 

[Orang Utan]

I think folk were just a bit surprised that an intelligent, well travelled man like yourself hadn't heard of Schengen.

I don't pay much attention to the news these days.

 

[Numbers]

Perhaps French President Holland was not a specific target, but the terrorists who blew themselves up at the stadium were quite close to him.

Thankfully they didn't do what they did when the game was over when thousands would have been leaving the stadium.

 

[mk12]

Daily mail reporting man with a grenade in his bag arrested at gatwick. I'm flying back there on Monday :-/

 

[critical1]

War against terrorism, should target the funders...

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

People really are stupid aren't they? Firecrackers today? Idiots.

There was a 62 gun salute today in London. I wonder how many people jumped...

 

[teqniq]

 

[bimble]

War against terrorism, should target the funders...

Good idea. But " Saudi Arabia is Britain’s largest arms market by far. It has sold 72 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft to the country in a contract worth an estimated £4.4bn ... etc etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...and yet there is both continuity in personnel and this is the thread of narrative used as the creation myth of (western at least) jihadis.

You could chuck Chechnya, Bosnia and Somalia in there too.

But, like I said, I'm just thinking out loud in response to the posts saying it's about Palestine, or it's about the West invading Iraq or whatever.

Yep. Along those lines, we could even say it's about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and what came after, especially the Sykes-Picot agreement.