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Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

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If it is them, I suppose this sort of thing was always going to be more likely to occur - once they stopped "winning" and began to be pushed back.
taj style gun suicide stuff. and that shopping centre in kenya. I can't help feel a little angry with dcg whatsit at the moment. Hebdo. That train. Are they asleep ffs? how could this get through when they are already on high watch.
 
Bbc has over 100 reported dead at the concert hall alone.

So fucking awful and screwed up. My thoughts go out to everyone in Paris n affected. Stay safe Paris urbs. Nothing good can come of this...
 
I saw earlier in the day that they'd evacuated the hotel where the German football team were staying. Had no idea of course that something of this magnitude was coming in the following hours.
 
FWIW, the strategy of tension was different. It involved elements of the state using terrorism, to destabilise a social conflict and create a situation that could be militarised/repressed more easily. The bombing of the peace rally in Turkey, followed by statements that the attack could have been perpetrated by kurds, might have suggested a strategy of tension to some observers.
it is that but it can mean to terrorise your state enemy into making his territory an armed camp and enact things like illegal internment, closed trials etc which then creates the conditions for your new recruits.
 
it is that but it can mean to terrorise your state enemy into making his territory an armed camp and enact things like illegal internment, closed trials etc which then creates the conditions for your new recruits.
Of course. You provoke oppression. That's always a part of it.
 
Charlie Hebdo ended up as quite low on register of what violence a few individuals can do. They just seemed to give up after the first attack. But the potential is always there for these sorts of numbers. That's why the 'terrorism doesn't worry me more killed driving' argument you sometimes hear seems daft to me.
 
Got a beloved ex in paris, fortunately she's ok. Proper grim stuff

Yep bbc reporting that Calais migrant camp is burning in possible revenge attack

Horrid stuff all round
 
what i love about urban are incisive comments like this whichget straight to the nub of the issue :rolleyes:

utterly useless and facile comments pg, expected more from you.
I don't mean to simplify, be daft and reductive about this, because as we all know the causal chains run deep and complex. But the grievances that result from the former require ideologically inspired - Islamist - agency to set them to work in the shocking way we've seen tonight.
 
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