Manchester United 19/20: You can't win anything with kids (revisited)
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Corner turned again you mean.
Trouble is all these corners go the same direction. So you end up back where you started.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
very good away win
just like me
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
His movement is excellent
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Cavani facing a potential ban:
Edinson Cavani could face three-game ban as FA investigates social media post | Manchester United | The Guardian
Context being everything, I'm much more likely to believe Cavani (that he didn't know about the English usage) than Suarez, who I didn't believe at all. If nothing else there's no indication that the person Cavani was responding to was black, whereas Suarez was bring explicitly and directly racist to Evra. Needless to say though, if it turns out Cavani did know about the English usage, he deserves everything he gets.
Edinson Cavani could face three-game ban as FA investigates social media post | Manchester United | The Guardian
Context being everything, I'm much more likely to believe Cavani (that he didn't know about the English usage) than Suarez, who I didn't believe at all. If nothing else there's no indication that the person Cavani was responding to was black, whereas Suarez was bring explicitly and directly racist to Evra. Needless to say though, if it turns out Cavani did know about the English usage, he deserves everything he gets.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
If the person he was replying to wasn’t black, why would he use the word? That would be much worse.
it is used as a ‘friendly’ term in Uruguay, shit tho that is. If he is actually replying to a mate, said mate would probably take it in that context, whereas Suarez knew it would be offensive but thought he might be able to blag it.
It can be used to refer to anyone with relatively dark skin or dark hair in parts of South America, even if they’re ‘white’. From what I can gather they usually invoke the Jim Davidson ‘it’s a sign of affection’ defence when called out on it. For
the full repertoire of mental gymnastics see Red Cafe.
By the way, Suarez didn’t say ‘negrito’, he said ‘negro’. That was put out by LFC as part of their PR campaign. Along with the t-shirts. All very embarrassing really.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The full Suarez defence here: Luis Suárez: ‘Am I a racist? No, absolutely not. I was horrified’
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In the case of Cavani, I'd guess I'd guess there's at least a possible/legitimate defence to be made around the Uruguayan use of the term. Not one I'm qualified to make and I'd like to hear from someone with direct experience of that usage in South America. In the case of Suarez, there was no defence at all and he actually used the word negro as mentioned by ignatious.
The FA rules state that ‘the use of any threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour in reference to a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation or disability is completely unacceptable.’
I wouldn’t say Cavani was being threatening, abusive or indecent but there's a good argument that he was being insulting by UK cultural standards so he should get a ban imo.
Worth noting also that the interim FA chairman, replacing the hapless Greg Clarke, is none other than Peter McCormick who was Suarez’s lawyer in the Evra case, and who represented Bowyer and Woodgate when they were charged with a racist attack in Leeds. During the Leeds case he advised Michael Duberry not to change his statement even though the player told him it wasn’t true. Duberry was subsequently charged with perverting the course of justice. McCormick is an OBE.
AverageJoe
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Will Cavani be able to play tonight? Man Utd have PSG in the Champions League
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Waiting to see if the EPL or FA take up Gary Nevilles suggestion that all foreign players should be subject to diversity training. Obviously it would have to be done before they step on the pitch or are allowed to use social media here but if it cuts this sort of stuff out from these Latin types then its surely worth considering. .
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Cheers.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I haven't read what he said, but I'd be a bit wary of that if it amounted to 'foreign players need more diversity training than our lads'. If it was part of the induction that any player gets, that would be fine. I'm a bit wary of top down diversity training, a thing owned by bosses and personnel departments, but that's a different issue. It would at least be being delivered on an equal basis.
donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
spot on, mate. spot on.
AverageJoe
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English clubs already do diversity and Media training for all the youth at their clubs. It's part of the whole training package.
That's why (Connor Coady aside) post match interviews are full of the same dour clichés spewed out by a seemingly disinterested player.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Astonishingly Brian Jones who had had to resign from the FA Council for posting 'Pork fact 16: people who eat pork are less likely to blow themselves up.' on his Facebook page was one of those on the panel that found Suarez guilty. He's back in the FA now with 'fellowship rights' an act which led to Stacey Cartwright's resignation. She was the chair of the recruitment panel to select a replacement for the recently departed Greg 'coloureds' Clarke .
the idea that a man who spent 5 plus years in multi-cultural Paris needs ‘diversity training’ is red-Nev trying to come off like he has all the answers whilst protecting a Yanited player. Bury Yonner he is. Not even Manc.
Yonner
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Man Utd: Paul Pogba 'unhappy' and 'has to leave' - agent - BBC Sport
Manchester United should sell midfielder Paul Pogba in the January transfer window, says his agent Mino Raiola.
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