Man United 2021-24, 'Best of the Rest'

[newme]

Christian Eriksen out with injury till at least april

Stats for the new guy look good tho. Not exactly what I'd have picked for am eriksen replacement. Looks more defensive. Also odd we rejected some of the names offered. Should have picked up at least one more with mcjoggingaround the middle of the field injured.

 

[pbsmooth]

charges dropped for Greenwood. will be interesting to see how that pans out.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

charges dropped for Greenwood. will be interesting to see how that pans out.

‘Fucking open your legs now’ not enough evidence of non-consensual sex ?

 

[GarveyLives]

"Mason Greenwood: CPS discontinuance of charges

NB: People who allege they are victims of sexual offences receive lifelong anonymity. It is a criminal offence to publish a complainant's identity or any information that might lead to the complainant being identified.

Mason Greenwood was charged in October 2022 with one count of attempted rape, one count of controlling and coercive behaviour and one count of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

A decision has been made to discontinue prosecution in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors.

A CPS spokesperson said: “We have a duty to keep cases under continuous review.

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction. In these circumstances, we are under a duty to stop the case.

“We have explained our decision to all parties.

“We would always encourage any potential victims to come forward and report to police and we will prosecute wherever our legal test is met.”

Notes to editors

It is not the function of the CPS to decide whether a person is guilty of a criminal offence, but to make fair, independent, and objective assessments about whether it is appropriate to present charges for the criminal court to consider."

(Source: Crown Prosecution Service, 2 February 2023)

Manchester United FC have announced that Mr Greenwood will not train or play until they have conducted their own investigation.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

"Mason Greenwood: CPS discontinuance of charges

NB: People who allege they are victims of sexual offences receive lifelong anonymity. It is a criminal offence to publish a complainant's identity or any information that might lead to the complainant being identified.

Mason Greenwood was charged in October 2022 with one count of attempted rape, one count of controlling and coercive behaviour and one count of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

A decision has been made to discontinue prosecution in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors.

A CPS spokesperson said: “We have a duty to keep cases under continuous review.

“In this case a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction. In these circumstances, we are under a duty to stop the case.

“We have explained our decision to all parties.

“We would always encourage any potential victims to come forward and report to police and we will prosecute wherever our legal test is met.”

Notes to editors

It is not the function of the CPS to decide whether a person is guilty of a criminal offence, but to make fair, independent, and objective assessments about whether it is appropriate to present charges for the criminal court to consider."

(Source: Crown Prosecution Service, 2 February 2023)

Manchester United FC have announced that Mr Greenwood will not train or play until they have conducted their own investigation.

The accuser dropped-out last May I read, 4 months after he was first arrested

 

[Petcha]

That's a fucking disgrace. I mean, just to refresh your memories.

Warning, horrible awful content in the clip below of someone sexually assaulting someone else.

 

[Raheem]

That's a fucking disgrace. I mean, just to refresh your memories.

Not disagreeing, but if she's not willing to give evidence, it wouldn't be difficult for the defence to establish doubt that there's anything criminal in that recording, just by inventing context. Unfortunately.

Hopefully, Man Utd drag things out as long as possible before sacking him.

 

[Petcha]

He's contracted till 2025 I think. So United are kinda screwed here. It'll clearly be a case of unfair dismissal if they sack him but I can't see how they can put him on the pitch again when the evidence is so damning and he's got off because the victim pulled out as is often the case in rape cases.

 

[Raheem]

He's contracted till 2025 I think. So United are kinda screwed here. It'll clearly be a case of unfair dismissal if they sack him but I can't see how they can put him on the pitch again when the evidence is so damning and he's got off because the victim pulled out as is often the case in rape cases.

No, not clearly a case of unfair dismissal. You don't have to get a conviction to be sacked for your behaviour. He will have a disrepute clause in his contract. Think they are likely to get rid unless the lawyers tell them there's no way. He will be able to sign somewhere or other, though.

 

[Petcha]

No, not clearly a case of unfair dismissal. You don't have to get a conviction to be sacked for your behaviour. He will have a disrepute clause in his contract. Think they are likely to get rid unless the lawyers tell them there's no way. He will be able to sign somewhere or other, though.

Sadly you're probably right. Someone will come in for him but you'd think not a Premier League club. Every game he plays he's going to get stick from the crowd, possibly even his club's own fans, so that's something.

 

[Raheem]

Sadly you're probably right. Someone will come in for him but you'd think not a Premier League club. Every game he plays he's going to get stick from the crowd, possibly even his club's own fans, so that's something.

Say what you like about the culture at Old Trafford, but it's decent enough that he can't go back. He will probably sign abroad.

 

[Petcha]

Tis just so awful. If the girl felt the need to secretly record him doing that then obvs that was far from the first time he'd done that. Just an utter cunt.

 

[The Octagon]

Say what you like about the culture at Old Trafford, but it's decent enough that he can't go back. He will probably sign abroad.

Ah yes, the culture that had no problem with welcoming Ronaldo back.

Fact is, depressingly, money is king here and he will either be back playing or sold for a tidy profit (prob abroad as you say).

 

[Petcha]

No, not clearly a case of unfair dismissal. You don't have to get a conviction to be sacked for your behaviour. He will have a disrepute clause in his contract. Think they are likely to get rid unless the lawyers tell them there's no way. He will be able to sign somewhere or other, though.

I did see a specialist sports lawyer on Sky earlier saying there's no way United can cancel his contract for some reason. They'll have to pay him the whole lot, two years worth. And he's been on full pay since he told the girl to 'open her fucking legs love' anyway. So I think he'll be ok.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

That's a fucking disgrace. I mean, just to refresh your memories.

Trigger warning or spoiler ?

 

[Petcha]

Trigger warning or spoiler ?

I don't feel the need to add a spoiler to something that was posted many pages ago and was all over the net when it happened.

But if you really want a warning, it's a young scared sounding girl saying she doesnt want to have sex, repeatedly, and him telling her that he didn't care and was gonna do it anyway. That, to me, is rape. The whole debacle probably deserves discussion outside a football thread. Think it transcends that.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

I don't feel the need to add a spoiler to something that was posted many pages ago and was all over the net when it happened.

But if you really want a warning, it's a young scared sounding girl saying she doesnt want to have sex, repeatedly, and him telling her that he didn't care and was gonna do it anyway. That, to me, is rape. The whole debacle probably deserves discussion outside a football thread. Think it transcends that.

I agree completely, but it’s no good warning people after they’ve listened to it.

 

[Petcha]

I think anyone on the United thread would have heard it at the time. But if it means that much, i'll add a warning.

 

[pbsmooth]

at the time the fingers were pointing at her father for pressuring her to drop the charges - no doubt he was seeing the £££ and not wanting to jeopardise it. all very sad.
tough one for the club. on the one hand, no charges so why should they be judge and jury on a young footballer (and 'asset' to the money men) but it's clear lots of fans have no time for him. Ten Hag may think he's more hassle than he's worth and just say get rid on a pragmatic level.

 

[Pickman's model]

since the cps statement talks of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material coming to light i don't suppose it is as simple as the complainant dropping out: she being but one witness.

 

[imposs1904]

When's his exclusive interview with Piers Morgan airing?

 

[Wilf]

Casemiro a bit unlucky today as in the Match of the Day pics (he had him by the shirt, not the throat). He's out for Leeds, Leeds and Leicester, which they might get away with, though the midfield is looking a bit threadbare.

 

[pbsmooth]

He clearly thought it was all going too easy bossing it every week...

 

[Maggot]

Is the Leeds game on TV?

 

[newme]

Is the Leeds game on TV?

No but its not a good thing to watch

 

[Joe Chi Min]

Ah Manchester United, the good capitalists (net transfer spend).




It’s just not fair

 

[pbsmooth]

Great win today. Garnacho is a star already.

I can see Arsenal being second by end of Feb but still reckon we'll be 3rd at best.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

Great win today. Garnacho is a star already.

I can see Arsenal being second by end of Feb but still reckon we'll be 3rd at best.

You were lucky to not be 3 down on 60 mins.

 

[pbsmooth]

They had some chances but that's a stretch. We should have scored at least once just before half-time.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

Rashy looking immense again, that’s always good to see.