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Liz Truss’s time is up

If you believe in strong leadership, which I don't, and leaders with clear vision and all that sort of caper, then Truss has so far been calamitous. She pretends to be strong. She pretends to have the answers no-one else has. That's why she can't do u turns. To her, a u turn means she has got it wrong. If your only claim to being special is that you are always right, u turns just make you look weak.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
I’m amazed that they won’t take any amount of money you want to donate to the bookies. I agree with those who believe that the polls will narrow at some point. But the Tories are done. They are internally divided and this will bubble to the surface regularly. They have abandoned governing and reoriented as a sect talking to - and acting for - a very narrow section of the electorate. They have declined into a nostalgia act committed to re-enacting the 1980’s and fighting battles that capital does not require it to.

They have elected a leader who is dead in the water already. Scotland, Wales, the ‘red wall’ and the cities and student areas are gone, the libs will challenge in the south west. The media and representatives of capital have increasingly become vocal in their view that it’s time for change.

I’ll take a £50 bet with you that the Tories do not win the next GE, will not be the largest party and will not win the popular vote. Winner donates to a trade union hardship fund of their choice?
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I suppose johnson had the ultimate fair wind behind him - Labour's left and right had fought to a standstill, which was overland with a brexit 'policy' that was different shades of 'I know you lot voted for it, but we daren't actually have a policy'. May was similarly stuck with a stoical failure to achieve anything at all on brexit. But 'GET BREXIT DONE' was still the ultimate slogan, a communication about cutting through all the shite and not being like the rest of them. All of that, deeply cynical as it was - and something that brought in a fucking vile PM - still had a political beauty. Johnson had a real sense of the moment, which reached into former Labour heartlands. It may well have been a one off and those working class voters might well have abstained in 2024 or gone back to Labour, even without partygate. But still, the comparison with truss is pretty stark. As you say, her ideological package is pretty much an answer to a problem that didn't exist and in circumstances very different to 1979. It's as if some cathedral gets a new bonkers bishop who wants to reintroduce scourging amongst the congregation. The rest of the vicars and vergers go along with it, till they see that half the flock have gone to the Methodists down the road (although Gerald the choirmaster tried it and bled to death).
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
If you believe in strong leadership, which I don't, and leaders with clear vision and all that sort of caper, then Truss has so far been calamitous. She pretends to be strong. She pretends to have the answers no-one else has. That's why she can't do u turns. To her, a u turn means she has got it wrong. If your only claim to being special is that you are always right, u turns just make you look weak.
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Particularly as she claims she didn't let the cabinet in on the details of the budget. I imagine there were a few barely concealed grins round the table when she had to report back on the u-turn(s).
 
billy_bob said:
Yes and no. Obviously the pragmatic response to this one, like the last one, is 'well, thank fuck - things would've been even worse if they'd gone ahead with it.' But I don't think governments are generally rewarded for not doing shit things they shouldn't have proposed in the first place either. And in a more nebulous way it just increases the general sense that this is a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing and, perhaps more importantly in electoral terms, don't have any kind of read on the country's mood.
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looking at polling (which i havent actually done!) and previous administrations i reckon theres no evidence of any correlation between the odd uturn and abandoning support for a PM. look at everything boris johnson did with consistent public support for example

for me the key political point here is it looks like Truss + Co are basically publicly appearing to get back in lane whilst still getting away with murder . Overegging the U Turn bit makes it look like a real change of course - it really isnt. Of the mini budget for example the vast majority of it is still on the table i gather
 
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Kevbad the Bad said:
If you believe in strong leadership, which I don't, and leaders with clear vision and all that sort of caper, then Truss has so far been calamitous. She pretends to be strong. She pretends to have the answers no-one else has. That's why she can't do u turns. To her, a u turn means she has got it wrong. If your only claim to being special is that you are always right, u turns just make you look weak.
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if you believe in leadership whether of individuals or of ideas she has been calamitous
 
ska invita said:
Ive never really understood the OMG A U-TURN thing...so what if someone does a uturn? Obviously personally glad the latest nightmare policy is backtracked on, but outside the westminster bubble who cares that a uturn has taken place?
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I think there's all kinds going on here, firstly that the original idea/diktat/policy/whatever has proved impossible or massively unpopular reveals the proposer to be fallible or out of touch which is a bad thing in the cutthroat world of politics. Also, some policies/whatever are needed regardless of how unpopular they are, keeping to some kind of budget say (Ha !) , but if the proposer submits to pressure to reverse a decision that makes them weak, so they're fucked either which way really. Not that I have any sympathy of course because I really fucking don't
 
Calamity1971 said:
Gammon will be exploding across the UK.
www.independent.co.uk

No 10 sidelines Suella Braverman in bid to relax immigration rules

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This really is spectacular incompetence from Truss. Appointing someone like Braverman to very publicly do what Braverman would do and then try to reverse it. But I think this issue does speak to a deep fissure on the right in general, and why the Tories are ultimately an unsatisfactory party for right wingers. Politically this is playing with fire.
 
as an aside the BBC reporting about how local council are around the country setting up warm hubs to keep people alive this winter


ffs how is this shower still in power


grew up in ireland and we had a fire in the front room and no central heating

but here we are in 2022 where we have to provide shelter for older people and some working peoples hubs to give them some heat
and the occasional meal

Jebus even Judge Dread Comics were not this dark
 
Ax^ said:
as an aside the BBC reporting about how local council are around the country setting up warm hubs to keep people alive this winter


ffs how is this shower still in power


grew up in ireland and we had a fire in the front room and no central heating

but here we are in 2022 where we have to provide shelter for older people and some working peoples hubs to give them some heat
and the occasional meal

Jebus even Judge Dread Comics were not this dark
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You should have been reading the dark judge dredd comics and not the shoddy rip-offs you got
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Things that have more charm than Liz Truss - who wants to start a list?
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A plastic carrier bag full of cold sick.

A dried human poo in a shop doorway.

A burnt out car in an out-of-town shopping centre car park.

A dead pigeon with no head.

An overflowing clinical waste bin in a care home.

A rotting used condom in a children's playground.
 
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