Liz Truss’s time is up

[Cid]

They don't really though. two years isn't a very long time, and she isn't going tomorrow.

It's long enough to be worth the gamble I think... Sure, if she lasts until next autumn or something, the calculus changes.

 

[SpookyFrank]

the tories are totally fucked. They are going to loose all but their most wing nut supporters and funders. There is no coming back from what they have done.

But this is about the 48th time they've redefined failure since 2010 and they're still in power. Memories are short.

 

[Cid]

Two years during which the country will be labouring under the effects of a recession the government themselves have caused, too.

That is true, but it is only true in one sense. That being the sense of things that actually happened. There are alternative truths .

 

[killer b]

How do you sell those alternative truths now though? It can't wash.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[Cid]

How do you sell those alternative truths now though? It can't wash.

You get a substantial chunk of the press to sell them for you.

 

[killer b]

there are limits to what a substantial chunk of the press can do by lying.

 

[SpookyFrank]

there are limits to what a substantial chunk of the press can do by lying.

They got Boris Johnson elected. A man not even qualified to operate the zip on his own trousers.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Survation, has the best record in recent GE's, and the brexit vote.

 

[killer b]

They got Boris Johnson elected. A man not even qualified to operate the zip on his own trousers.

nah, that was Kier Starmer ironically enough

 

[SysOut]

That'll be the old 'uns with only two faculties remaining; soiling themselves and voting tory.

no young fanatics?

 

[Pickman's model]

no young fanatics?

In her day Dr 'Tiz' Coffey was a young radical

 

[Wilf]

I think those poll leads are basically answers to the question: 'how fucking angry are you at the moment'? If some degree of stability is restored in the markets, they'll inevitably fall back, though we'll see of course. If Labour's leads get back to anything like 10%, the chances of the tories booting her out recede a bit or gets put on the back burner. They'll think they are back in the game or at least could get closer with a raft of populist policies and a dirty election campaign. But that's how bad things are for them, the notion that 10% poll deficits are their target. Until this week I've never thought kieth could be PM - that even I think he will be now is also a measure of fucking awful truss is.

 

[Cid]

there are limits to what a substantial chunk of the press can do by lying.

I'm obviously not precisely predicting the future... All I'm saying is that there is an opportunity there, and it's one which has a viable path to it. That's enough for someone like Sunak to give it a try.

 

[Kaka Tim]

ditching truss would maybe be damage limitation - but it wont win them the election, maybe just stop the bleeding. But it would also further shred their crediblity - how many people will vote for a party at war with itself and who change leaders three times during a parliament? And truss would not go quietly. You can sense - as with blair - big wheels in media and finance and business moving behind labour because the torys are basically now synonymous with economic disaster.

 

[Artaxerxes]

ditching truss would maybe be damage limitation - but it wont win them the election, maybe just stop the bleeding. But it would also further shred their crediblity - how many people will vote for a party at war with itself and who change leaders three times during a parliament? And truss would not go quietly. You can sense - as with blair - big wheels in media and finance and business moving behind labour because the torys are basically now synonymous with economic disaster.

You better ask yourself punk, have we fired six prime minister's or only five?

Do you feel lucky?

 

[frogwoman]

This live action remake of 2012 pot-boiler Britannia Unchained has got to get a 1 out of 10 I'm afraid

 

[Artaxerxes]

Epping Forest turns red under these polls and it's feels like I've had a stroke.

 

[Wilf]

ditching truss would maybe be damage limitation - but it wont win them the election, maybe just stop the bleeding. But it would also further shred their crediblity - how many people will vote for a party at war with itself and who change leaders three times during a parliament? And truss would not go quietly. You can sense - as with blair - big wheels in media and finance and business moving behind labour because the torys are basically now synonymous with economic disaster.

I genuinely don't know how tory backbenchers will play this. They are obviously venal self interested shitbags and will make a move at the point they see a clear advantage in doing so. They probably had a lingering loyalty to johnson and held fire for a quite a while. Truss isn't someone who won them a near landslide and hardly has the feel of being an election winner (lol). At the moment they are headless chickens in a prisoner's dilemma with nowhere to go. It will certainly be interestng to see how they vote on non-economic issues. Could well be a lot of rebellions around issues they can use in a vain attempt at keeping their seats in 2 years.

 

[Pickman's model]

I would like to see a new reality TV show in which all the authors of Britannia unchained have to work in a variety of workplaces. I'd be particularly interested in how they'd fare in a library environment but they might start off in the events industry, arranging workplace parties in breweries and distilleries. I think it has the potential to be both entertaining and illuminating

 

[Bingoman]

Epping Forest turns red under these polls and it's feels like I've had a stroke.

There is some seats based on those polls I would never thought go red in my life time and there it is if it does happen

 

[Pickman's model]

Epping Forest turns red under these polls and it's feels like I've had a stroke.

Wait until the only poll that really matters before having a stroke

 

[Cid]

ditching truss would maybe be damage limitation - but it wont win them the election, maybe just stop the bleeding. But it would also further shred their crediblity - how many people will vote for a party at war with itself and who change leaders three times during a parliament? And truss would not go quietly. You can sense - as with blair - big wheels in media and finance and business moving behind labour because the torys are basically now synonymous with economic disaster.

It's true enough... Shammer getting some policies handed to him also complicates things. There's no certainty here... But we are right in the middle of perfect storm of shitness right now, and the edge could wear off that pretty quickly with even some quite basic changes (e.g some level of confidence in the pound, positive noises from financial institutions). Their credibility isn't going to improve so long as Truss stays in the hot seat, and there is probably some potential to rally the party around to at least get through the next election. They are, as wilf said, self-interested venal shitbags... Just depends how much you can play on the 'self-interested' bit.

 

[_Russ_]

At some point ill be putting 50 quid on a tory win next GE, ill look at the odds tomorrow and might do it then.

Hm just had a look paddy power will only let me put 33 quid on it online and at 3/1

 

[Pickman's model]

I genuinely don't know how tory backbenchers will play this. They are obviously venal self interested shitbags and will make a move at the point they see a clear advantage in doing so. They probably had a lingering loyalty to johnson and held fire for a quite a while. Truss isn't someone who won them a near landslide and hardly has the feel of being an election winner (lol). At the moment they are headless chickens in a prisoner's dilemma with nowhere to go. It will certainly be interestng to see how they vote on non-economic issues. Could well be a lot of rebellions around issues they can use in a vain attempt at keeping their seats in 2 years.

The thing is the mps backed Johnson, more mps backed sunak than truss. Potential for bigger rebellions against the cackhanded truss because she doesn't have the loyalty of most of her parliamentary party and she's too weak and stupid to have brought colleagues from outside her circle of chums into the cabinet. It's already clear to a high number of tory mps that they need a new leader if they're ever going to get on the ministerial ladder so they've nothing to lose from opposing her

 

[rasputin]

ffs
so much for her trumpeted market discipline
i wonder if the quantitative money printing will kick in again

When you posted this, no. QE was being reversed.
As of this week, yes. The BoE has started major new bond purchases, financed from central bank reserves.

 

[two sheds]

I don't know, you lot. Have you never had a bad day at a new job? She makes one little mistake and you're all "oo she won't last".

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't know, you lot. Have you never had a bad day at a new job? She makes one little mistake and you're all "oo she won't last".

My bad days at the office have never entailed tanking the economy through putting an economic illiterate in charge of the soon to be eighteenth largest economy in the world

 

[Wilf]

It's true enough... Shammer getting some policies handed to him also complicates things. There's no certainty here... But we are right in the middle of perfect storm of shitness right now, and the edge could wear off that pretty quickly with even some quite basic changes (e.g some level of confidence in the pound, positive noises from financial institutions). Their credibility isn't going to improve so long as Truss stays in the hot seat, and there is probably some potential to rally the party around to at least get through the next election. They are, as wilf said, self-interested venal shitbags... Just depends how much you can play on the 'self-interested' bit.

That yougov poll has a significant percentage of lifelong tories saying they will vote Labour. I don't think they will and I don't think they even mean they will when they answered the poll like that. Still... 54%

By the by, Labour could do with getting a major voter registration push to make sure they can actually get those votes.

 

[Elpenor]

My bad days at the office have never entailed tanking the economy through putting an economic illiterate in charge of the soon to be eighteenth largest economy in the world

She’s done well to top her first day in the office, killing the countries monarch