Liz Truss’s time is up

[Wilf]

She's taken to twitter and, rather impressively, sounds just as wooden and ill-informed in that medium:

Wooden as she certainly is, I'm struggling to think what she could say that would improve her position. This is about it really:

 

[Petcha]

She's taken to twitter and, rather impressively, sounds just as wooden and ill-informed in that medium:

She's unreal. Didn't they use to mock Theresa May for being a robot? She's Barbara Streisand compared to this idiot.

 

[brogdale]

Also posted in Political Polling thread; she's achieved something quite remarkable there, tbf:

 

[killer b]

that's quite a conference bump for the labour party huh?

 

[brogdale]

that's quite a conference bump for the labour party huh?

Reckon they could all have sat in 'spoons and do fuck all and those numbers would have looked the same.

 

[Petcha]

The problem is that surely the Tories will get rid her of well before of the GE and bring in someone, anyone, slightly more intelligent and electable

 

[Pickman's model]

Also posted in Political Polling thread; she's achieved something quite remarkable there, tbf:

Sadly for Labour a period of campaigning always precedes the actual vote

 

[Pickman's model]

The problem is that surely the Tories will get rid her of well before of the GE and bring in someone, anyone, slightly more intelligent and electable

Some tory 'grandee' like John Redwood for example

 

[two sheds]

and the daily mail et all will swing round behind them well before the election

 

[Petcha]

I almost wish she'd waited a bit longer to fuck this up so spectacularly. Sunak's the obvious replacement and he could actually win. I mean, it's been two weeks or something like that right to mangle shit up more than any PM in living memory.

 

[brogdale]

21% of respondents want more of this.

 

[killer b]

These are not really numbers a quick change of leader and the Mail running a few headlines can totally fix. Would you even want to try and fix this if you were Sunak? Better to leave it to someone else to get wiped out at the next GE and swoop in afterwards I'd imagine. No-one with real ambitions is going to want to take over.

 

[Pickman's model]

These are not really numbers a quick change of leader and the Mail running a few headlines can totally fix. Would you even want to try and fix this if you were Sunak? Better to leave it to someone else to get wiped out at the next GE and swoop in afterwards I'd imagine. No-one with real ambitions is going to want to take over.

All tories have unreal ambitions

 

[Petcha]

Nothing to see here Liz.. all part of the plan

 

[SpookyFrank]

What's the betting the tory leadership election process will get a re-jig after this fiasco. That being said, it was the MPs who let an obvious catastrophe like Truss on the ticket for the members' vote in the first place.

 

[brogdale]

What's the betting the tory leadership election process will get a re-jig after this fiasco. That being said, it was the MPs who let an obvious catastrophe like Truss on the ticket for the members' vote in the first place.

31.6% of them; the real fucking headbanger noddys

 

[PR1Berske]

I reckon truss is a putin bot, put in place many years ago to sabotage the UK in event of just the sort of situation we now face

It's certainly a theory which could be explored. Brexit was almost certainly assisted by outside forces, be they Russian or Steve Bannon/Trumpian or both. Brexit supporters were beyond desperate to get Truss on the ballot. She has the appearance of a woman "in power but not in charge". Who is behind the door to number 10 really?

 

[teuchter]

This was just about the time that austerity measures were starting to kick in so that cuts were having real world effects in communities, so let’s say winter 2010/11 . I was in a pub with some friends and not everyone knew each other. I got talking with the woman sat beside me and it turned out she was a lawyer working fairly high up within the Financial Services Authority. l asked her “I‘m curious, now that austerity measures are starting to have an effect on people‘s daily lives, how is that-“ and she interrupted me and said “The question doesn’t make sense.”

I was a bit annoyed and tried again. I wanted to ask if there was any awareness of, any concern about, any sense of recognition of the anger and distress the policy was causing. “So the people you’re working with, the ones who’ve framed this policy, do they think the effects will-“ and again she just cut across me, said. “The question doesn’t arise.”

I thought she was being arrogant and said “Just let me ask the question”. So she did, but I could see that she was humouring me. I framed it as “Are they not concerned that the anger and distress their policies cause may play out badly for them?”

And then she said “You don’t get it. Your question does not make sense. The question of how people feel about their policies does not arise.” I just kinda looked at her, because while I knew she was telling me something true, I didn’t want it to be so. I mean, I’d always known this on some level but to hear it stated so simply by someone who works with them was unsettling.

Then she said “This is the thing that most people don’t understand. People, you and me and all of us here, we don’t exist for them. Not even in abstract terms. We are statistics, numbers in a formulae, not people. They don’t give us any thought because we don’t exist for them. The question do they consider the effects does not arise. However you frame it, your question makes no sense.”

Who were the "them" she was talking about, exactly?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I almost wish she'd waited a bit longer to fuck this up so spectacularly. Sunak's the obvious replacement and he could actually win. I mean, it's been two weeks or something like that right to mangle shit up more than any PM in living memory.

She's hardly likely to come out and say, "Fuck it, I'm not cut out for this, Rishi's turn" is she. They all cling on as long as they can, in her case until the election must be called. Just hope the BoE can stay on top of shit until then and stop her destroying any savings/pensions that anyone in the UK has.

On a plus note, I still have $35 left over from a trip to New York last month, by next Wednesday I may be able to use that to buy the £5m mansion up the hill from me

 

[Cid]

These are not really numbers a quick change of leader and the Mail running a few headlines can totally fix. Would you even want to try and fix this if you were Sunak? Better to leave it to someone else to get wiped out at the next GE and swoop in afterwards I'd imagine. No-one with real ambitions is going to want to take over.

I think ideas around 'leaving it until next time' don't really hold up. It's 8 years until that opportunity... No ambitious person is going to play on those terms. And the reality of it is that what the world will be like next time is hugely unpredictable. The situation here and now presents an obvious opportunity for someone like that... It's a hellishly tricky one for sure, but you don't become a career politician without a great deal of self belief. And in all honesty just doing what the BoE and IMF say will cause some bounce back immediately as markets rally... Throw in some light populism (as he did with e.g eat out to help out), emphasise a return to 'economics without ideology' emphasise stability and a return to the old normal. 2 years is ample time to rebuild the tory base.

 

[Artaxerxes]

 

[Petcha]

I think ideas around 'leaving it until next time' don't really hold up. It's 8 years until that opportunity... No ambitious person is going to play on those terms. And the reality of it is that what the world will be like next time is hugely unpredictable. The situation here and now presents an obvious opportunity for someone like that... It's a hellishly tricky one for sure, but you don't become a career politician without a great deal of self belief. And in all honesty just doing what the BoE and IMF say will cause some bounce back immediately as markets rally... Throw in some light populism (as he did with e.g eat out to help out), emphasise a return to 'economics without ideology' emphasise stability and a return to the old normal. 2 years is ample time to rebuild the tory base.

He is going to look like a knight in shining armour after this, to the Tory base anyway. And quite possibly to the general electorate. I don't see him waiting 8 years either for another crack at it.

 

[Kaka Tim]

the tories are totally fucked. They are going to loose all but their most wing nut supporters and funders. There is no coming back from what they have done.

 

[elbows]

Its the sort of poll numbers I thought we might get if there was energy rationing this winter, along with a general botched response to that and the cost of living crisis. And/or an additional NHS crisis due to its present state and the potential resurgence of flu and covid. To have reached that stage well before that season is quite the achievement.

 

[story]

Who were the "them" she was talking about, exactly?

I didn’t ask for the names.

 

[Karl Masks]

the tories are totally fucked. They are going to loose all but their most wing nut supporters and funders. There is no coming back from what they have done.

Are you sure? They still have a majority and none of them are going to want to call an election.

 

[Cid]

the tories are totally fucked. They are going to loose all but their most wing nut supporters and funders. There is no coming back from what they have done.

If Truss stays they are. If not, they have time on their side.

 

[killer b]

They don't really though. two years isn't a very long time, and she isn't going tomorrow.

 

[killer b]

Two years during which the country will be labouring under the effects of a recession the government themselves have caused, too.

 

[SpookyFrank]

21% of respondents want more of this.

That'll be the old 'uns with only two faculties remaining; soiling themselves and voting tory.