Liz Truss’s time is up

[Elpenor]

Badenoch pairs her malevolence with a concerning amount of competence

 

[SysOut]

Being a time of crisis, she should form a national government with Labour. Good old WW2 stuff. Then start bombing somewhere. Curfew, lockdown and homeguard - make Thatcher look like a wimp, and blow away any of Johnsons pretensions.

 

[magneze]

France looking likely.

 

[two sheds]

yeh she'll be after their cheese

 

[LDC]

France looking likely.

The great cheese war of 2022-2023.

 

[magneze]

Liz Truss and her cybermouse army.

 

[alex_]

I'd like to agree with you, but not a hope in hell IMO.
The consolidator state and the neoliberal ideologues managing it will always defend (unearned) wealth and use tax derived from labour to subsidise businesses with corporate welfare. Nationalising goes against every tenet of their world view.

Otoh all British nuclear power stations are owned by the French state

 

[brogdale]

Otoh all British nuclear power stations are owned by the French state

True, but that hardly makes it more likely that the UK state would nationalise them as Sasaferrato suggested would happen.

 

[alex_]

True, but that hardly makes it more likely that the UK state would nationalise them as Sasaferrato suggested would happen.

I’m pretty sure the jury is out on this

 

[brogdale]

I’m pretty sure the jury is out on this

Only if we confuse superstructural nationalism deployed for electoral purpose with the neoliberalism of the base.

 

[steveo87]

Or that La Truss is so incompetent that, unlike blustercunt, she doesn't even realise that she needs to surround herself with complete incompetents to look "good" by comparison.

Actually good point

 

[SysOut]

Only if we confuse superstructural nationalism deployed for electoral purpose with the neoliberalism of the base.

If nationalisation is used to bail out shareholders, no one complains.
The post-WW2 nationalisations were such; Churchills reasons for nationalising BP:

Churchill was a believer. He thought Britain needed a dedicated oil supply, and he argued the case in Parliament, urging his colleagues to “look out upon the wide expanse of the oil regions of the world!” Only the British-owned Anglo-Persian Oil Company, he said, could protect British interests.The resolution passed resoundingly, and the UK government became a major shareholder in the company. Churchill had ended Anglo-Persian’s cash crisis, and no one had long to quietly ponder the long-term implications of a company entwining its financial interests with a political entity.

In truth neither liberalism nor neoliberalism has an ideolgy. There is the principle that "money has no master" and that includes ideologies. The abstract nouns and ideologies are used to justify the aim: profit.

Thus nationalisations and cartels are acceptable as long as they are democratic in the original sense, which has nothing to do with the inhabitants voting for parties

So a cartel should be open to all in the same sector. E.g., Microsoft and all the other major phone makers (except Apple) are in a cartel which owns many of the major patents needed for phones.

The present war between the West and Russia is the same as the Opium Wars with China - it boils down to forcing Russia to have an "Open Door" business policy

 

[brogdale]

If nationalisation is used to bail out shareholders, no one complains.
The post-WW2 nationalisations were such; Churchills reasons for nationalising BP:

In truth neither liberalism nor neoliberalism has an ideolgy. There is the principle that "money has no master" and that includes ideologies. The abstract nouns and ideologies are used to justify the aim: profit.

Thus nationalisations and cartels are acceptable as long as they are democratic in the original sense, which has nothing to do with the inhabitants voting for parties

So a cartel should be open to all in the same sector. E.g., Microsoft and all the other major phone makers (except Apple) are in a cartel which owns many of the major patents needed for phones.

The present war between the West and Russia is the same as the Opium Wars with China - it boils down to forcing Russia to have an "Open Door" business policy

But drawing parallels with the mid 20thC nationalisations seems to ignore the neoliberal structural changes to global capital. RepDem politicians no longer represent national interests, they're merely there to ensure that the consolidator state is managed to maximise the transfer of wealth from earned to unearned. Furthermore the corporations responsible for the energy crisis are hardly in need of 'bailing out'; much more effective to use tax revenues on labour to subsidise the continued corporate profit gouging.

 

[SysOut]

the consolidator state is managed to maximise the transfer of wealth from earned to unearned.

Indeed. John Major's UK Plc?
(which also includes the monarchy, the usual elephant in the room in UK politics).

 

[Artaxerxes]

If nationalisation is used to bail out shareholders, no one complains.
The post-WW2 nationalisations were such; Churchills reasons for nationalising BP:

In truth neither liberalism nor neoliberalism has an ideolgy. There is the principle that "money has no master" and that includes ideologies. The abstract nouns and ideologies are used to justify the aim: profit.

Thus nationalisations and cartels are acceptable as long as they are democratic in the original sense, which has nothing to do with the inhabitants voting for parties

So a cartel should be open to all in the same sector. E.g., Microsoft and all the other major phone makers (except Apple) are in a cartel which owns many of the major patents needed for phones.

The present war between the West and Russia is the same as the Opium Wars with China - it boils down to forcing Russia to have an "Open Door" business policy

Russia had an open door, so open it spent huge swathes of money buying politicians around the world. Oodles of illicit and dirty money adventuring in the world.

Then it invaded Ukraine all by itself.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Or that La Truss is so incompetent that, unlike blustercunt, she doesn't even realise that she needs to surround herself with complete incompetents to look "good" by comparison.

I don't think there's much danger of her appointing competent ministers.

 

[two sheds]

Liz Truss allowed farmers to pollute England’s rivers after ‘slashing red tape’, say campaigners

Agricultural waste outstrips sewage as the main danger – and activists blame the ex-environment secretary’s cuts to farm inspections

www.theguardian.com

 

[SysOut]

Liz Truss allowed farmers to pollute England’s rivers after ‘slashing red tape’, say campaigners

Agricultural waste outstrips sewage as the main danger – and activists blame the ex-environment secretary’s cuts to farm inspections

www.theguardian.com

should be posted in the Brexit gains thread as well.

 

[flypanam]

Badenoch pairs her malevolence with a concerning amount of competence

And yet she still bangs on about bogs when everyone is shitting themselves about being warm in winter.

 

[bluescreen]

If Braverman is to be Home Secretary , who tf is to be Attorney General? Every time you think it can't get worse, it does.

 

[alex_]

If Braverman is to be Home Secretary , who tf is to be Attorney General? Every time you think it can't get worse, it does.

Surely boris is a crime expert ?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Truss and Rudd are on the Tory Whips secret blackmail list because of their relationships with Kwasi Kwertang.

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Isn't he down to be the new chancellor?

 

[Chilli.s]

Truss should appoint a cabinet that makes her look like the cleverest

 

[alex_]

Truss should appoint a cabinet that makes her look like the cleverest

Christ, that’s going to be pretty hard

 

[Chilli.s]

Its her cunning plan

 

[not a trot]

Its her cunning plan

Yeah, Baldrick for PM.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Truss should appoint a cabinet that makes her look like the cleverest

Where's she gonna find three short planks at this time of night?

 

[steveo87]

Mark Francios is five seven, so there's one.
Gove, too, actually.
They'll probably be in the same place.

 

[bemused]

I'll be honest, I'm looking forward to the Liz shitshow. One of the things I'm hoping for is she gets zero bump in the polls. The other thing I'm looking forward to is Boris stealing her limelight constantly because if the press it to believed he thinks he can make a comeback.

 

[SysOut]

decided not to post hi ho silver lining