Liz Truss’s time is up

[sleaterkinney]

I have a pessimistic view of this. Where is it going to come from? Who are its leaders? Who funds it? What organisations are going to provide it structure and reach? The traditional unions are either broken or so declawed as to be useless. Labour (small l) is atomised. The "online left" is like a herd of cats.
Neoliberalism has very successfully reduced politics to "choose your manager" . It just doesn't feel like we have a society that knows how to have political ideas any more.
Someone give me a slap.

I’m not sure about that, Trussonomics and brexit were both challenges to the orthodoxy, unfortunately they came from the right, but they were different ideas. Nothing will happen unless the tories go though.

 

[Karl Masks]

Start a Local Branch?, not that I would criticise you for not being on side, their demands reek of Socialism which is so demonised by the middle classes in this country it doesnt have a chance........ its every man/women/whatever for themselves these days, fuck those other cunts
Untill there is a real physical revolution in this country nothing will change, itll take a large proportion of the population to actually go hungry for a week or so to make that happen

I'm not against them at all. I just don't see anything happening. Are there demands socialism? They are transitional demands at best. I don't think theya re calling for the workers to take over the state. Though I wouldn't disagree, won't heappen anytime soon though.

And yes we do need a physical revolution. Not sure how we arrive at that. If EiE have an idea as to how, then I'd like to hear it. A good start imo would be a mass general strike

 

[littlebabyjesus]

PMQs tomorrow will be a big factor.

Mordaunt did a pretty good job yesterday. If Truss doesn’t match up, Tories may well decide to dump her.

Keeping her on, in post but not in charge, until a few months before the GE may be a tactic tories are considering.

Truss won't match up, though. Both Mordaunt and Hunt are highly skilled political operators compared to Truss. Truss in high spirits is useless. Truss in a crisis will be a car crash.

I still can't see Truss standing up at PMQs tomorrow. Thatcher did her defiant thing - 'I'm enjoying this' - after she'd been ousted. But Thatcher was good at parliament. Truss's tribute act has only ever been lip-synching to a backing track.

 

[Lurdan]

Liz Truss has already slipped down the Mail Online front page beneath a story about Meghan Markle but they are not holding back.

This all seems terribly negative. Do they not have a favoured solution? Why yes, they do.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

 

[Pickman's model]

if they're looking to may to calm things down and be a competent pm they've obviously forgotten what happened between 2016 and 2019

 

[elbows]

If Brown went from Stalin to Mr Bean, then what has Truss gone from and to?

 

[Wilf]

Tory members want her to go, which must be about the last lever to fall. If you scroll down the link you can see they want MPs to decide the successor, though they actually want johnson back in. Anyway, I'd actually put good money on this being the way it goes - 1922 decides these are exceptional circumstances and allows MPs to decide a unity candidate. Sunak and possibly Mordor favourites, but Cunt might feature. Brief period of feverish lobbying and jockeying for position, followed by1 candidate emerging. Unfortunately, no Red Wedding.

Most Tory members say Liz Truss should resign | YouGov

Boris Johnson is the most popular successor

yougov.co.uk

 

[contadino]

Tory members want her to go, which must be about the last lever to fall. If you scroll down the link you can see they want MPs to decide the successor, though they actually want johnson back in. Anyway, I'd actually put good money on this being the way it goes - 1922 decides these are exceptional circumstances and allows MPs to decide a unity candidate. Sunak and possibly Mordor favourites, but Cunt might feature. Brief period of feverish lobbying and jockeying for position, followed by1 candidate emerging. Unfortunately, no Red Wedding.

Most Tory members say Liz Truss should resign | YouGov

Boris Johnson is the most popular successor

yougov.co.uk

I suspect that's what she was told yesterday, the jockeying for position has been underway for a week or so, and I think the handover is the subject of today's meeting between Truss and Brady.

 

[Wilf]

I suspect that's what she was told yesterday, the jockeying for position has been underway for a week or so, and I think the handover is the subject of today's meeting between Truss and Brady.

The normal path would, I think, be Coffey taking over till the contest is over. I doubt they'll want that, because that would be another prime minister - 'looking fucking ridiculous' points go through the roof. Same time they won't want truss hanging on for even a fortnight. And having said all that, they equally won't want it to look like the men in suits simply appointed another PM. Tricky times for the bunch of cunts.

 

[billy_bob]

When European political parties replace some obviously hopeless leader, they usually instal some technocrat who'll spend a couple of years reassuring everyone that the emperor does, in fact, have a change of clothes.

Tories want to oust their obviously hopeless leader now that she's presiding over complete chaos and universally derided and replace her with the stabilising influence of .... Boris Johnson?

I hope they really do it. Surely to fuck that would finish them off.

 

[killer b]

That's the membership though, who have demonstrated time and time again they're total nutcases.

 

[killer b]

The MPs will not be sliding Johnson back into number 10

 

[Wilf]

When European political parties replace some obviously hopeless leader, they usually instal some technocrat who'll spend a couple of years reassuring everyone that the emperor does, in fact, have a change of clothes.

Tories want to oust their obviously hopeless leader now that she's presiding over complete chaos and universally derided and replace her with the stabilising influence of .... Boris Johnson?

I hope they really do it. Surely to fuck that would finish them off.

'Okay, okay, I'll do it if my country needs me. However we really do need to change the wallpaper in number 10...'

 

[rubbershoes]

Graham Brady is the tory party's Albert Pierrepoint. When he appears in your doorway, you don't have long left

 

[billy_bob]

That's the membership though, who have demonstrated time and time again they're total nutcases.

I know, that's why I want their MPs to listen to them.

Both parties now effectively hate their own most natural supporters, don't they? And most of the supporters in turn hate most of 'their' MPs. Somehow this doesn't seem ideal.

 

[emanymton]

That's the membership though, who have demonstrated time and time again they're total nutcases.

Is this the issue with getting rid of her? By the rules if more than 1 candidate stands they have to go to the memberships. So unless they can reach agreement across the board the have to go to the membership and run the risk of another nutcase getting elected.

 

[Wilf]

That's the membership though, who have demonstrated time and time again they're total nutcases.

Yeah, of course, but there's certainly a permission there for the 1922 to take the appointment process back. It eases the thing forward and moves the idea of a speedily (MP) appointed replacement further into the open. As of even 5 days ago, the public talk at least was about the difficulty of replacing her, the 1 year grace period etc.

 

[Storm Fox]

But getting Johnson back will mean getting back all of his baggage. So while it may go down well with the Tory membership (who voted for Truss), I cannot see it going down well with the public or Tory MPs. The gap may close a little, but I cannot see it going back to a 10% Labour lead and not a Tory lead. Plus we have the winter to get through with the very real possibility of rolling power cuts and a massive fuel price increase in the spring.

 

[Wilf]

Graham Brady is the tory party's Albert Pierrepoint. When he appears in your doorway, you don't have long left

'Don't shake hands with him!'

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is this the issue with getting rid of her? By the rules if more than 1 candidate stands they have to go to the memberships. So unless they can reach agreement across the board the have to go to the membership and run the risk of another nutcase getting elected.

Yeah, they'll reach an agreement. That's the only thing delaying them right now, I would think. The decision's already been made. No way they can have another membership vote.

 

[killer b]

Is this the issue with getting rid of her? By the rules if more than 1 candidate stands they have to go to the memberships. So unless they can reach agreement across the board the have to go to the membership and run the risk of another nutcase getting elected.

the risk of another leadership election is the only thing keeping Truss in position. The moment they work out how to anoint her successor (and who??) she's done.

 

[not-bono-ever]

More leadership contests please. It all helps devalue modern politics

 

[Wilf]

Anyway, the tories have now (just about) got a process whereby they can get a leader in who will go back to beating kieth at PMQs, something of a reset, the vague appearance of looking like a political party again. Trouble is, with mortgages, cost of living horrors and the new austerity, that won't nearly be enough. Might add it somehow won't be enough for a Labour landslide, though they will win in 2024. Labour really has chosen a moment to be profoundly shit.

 

[billy_bob]

They're talking in terms of a 'unity candidate' - presumably also known as a 'not Sunak candidate'. If they want to reach far back enough among the recent contenders to pick one who isn't as wildly unsuited to .. well, anything, as Truss herself, Mordaunt's got to be the favourite, hasn't she?

 

[contadino]

the risk of another leadership election is the only thing keeping Truss in position. The moment they work out how to anoint her successor (and who??) she's done.

I think the only thing keeping her there is the headbangers saying that if she goes it'll mean a GE. If the 1922 can sort that out and have the new bod in place until the 2024, they'll do it in a flash. It'll take a lot of time to reverse the polling so their best option is to get on with it.

 

[billy_bob]

Labour really has chosen a moment to be profoundly shit.

It's come to something when the inspirational leadership and confident, resolute party mood of the Miliband era would be a distinct improvement...

 

[Wilf]

I think the only thing keeping her there is the headbangers saying that if she goes it'll mean a GE. If the 1922 can sort that out and have the new bod in place until the 2024, they'll do it in a flash. It'll take a lot of time to reverse the polling so their best option is to get on with it.

Yep, in all this morass that is literally the only way forward.

 

[Wilf]

Presumably truss is in the building, but being ignored as all the plotting and business of government goes on around here. I don't mean that metaphorically, I get the image of people walking past her in corridors and looking down as they rush past her to do some actual work/plotting. That makes me very happy.
Having said all that, the attempts to get a 'balanced budget' - austerity and cuts - that will follow.... fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

The MPs will not be sliding Johnson back into number 10

that's a bold claim