Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
My dad had dinner with a colleague of his last month and they apparently are no longer on speaking terms
Liz Truss’s time is up
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Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Not sure if this has been posted but it's very lolz
www.theguardian.com
Up was down, night was day. And was the prime minister OK? | John Crace
Librium Liz appeared for a brief, silent cameo in the Commons as her captors, Jeremy Hunt and Penny Mordaunt, held court
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can't see her doing PMQ tomorrow. But I also can't see how she can dodge doing it.
It appears today they're trying the line that she's done the right thing by admitting to her mistake. I don't see that flying very far before hitting the ground. In that case, how come Kwarteng wasn't allowed to stay on? He could have reversed the mini-budget just as easily as Hunt.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Sneering at people because they can't get involved in activism isn't a good look. I don't live anywhere near EiE meetings. I don't have the means to travel the country attending protests and the like. IF you have reasonable suggestions I'll hear them otherwise you can keep your judgements to yourself
I'm well aware of their aims. All of which are great. What matters is the outcome. Did the People's Assembly from a decade ago defeat austerity?
Says it all really
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
-70! That’s an impressive popularity rating
yougov.co.uk
Liz Truss’s net favourability rating falls to -70 | YouGov
Just one in ten Britons have a favourable opinion of the prime minister
yougov.co.uk
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
That's either photoshopped or a very bizarre carThe Daily Mail demonstrates that if there's one thing it hates more than woke 'socialists' it's losers.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
EiE is still holding launch meetings. To write it off after a couple of months looks rather like an attempt to d eerily dismiss something as an excuse not to get involved.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Zoom lens.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hate's quite an active emotion so perhaps least contemptible
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
she's in a dodgem
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
One for the scrapbook
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
True, but the market gods always demand a sacrifice.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Was more bizarre a few seconds later when the doors and wheels fell off and eight chaps of restricted stature emerged from it.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
What are they proposing?
How would you recommend I get involved? I signed up to their email, I follow themo n the socials. I don't live anywhere near them. Like I said, if you have a suggestion put it on the table.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
She really doesn’t. That or her make-up person has turned on her too.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I wonder what she actually DID when she worked in the energy industry.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Start a Local Branch?, not that I would criticise you for not being on side, their demands reek of Socialism which is so demonised by the middle classes in this country it doesnt have a chance........ its every man/women/whatever for themselves these days, fuck those other cunts
Untill there is a real physical revolution in this country nothing will change, itll take a large proportion of the population to actually go hungry for a week or so to make that happen
steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
I reckon she's staying now.
Flawed logic or not, Hunt at the very least 'looked' like he knew what he was doing.
Plus Labour still look at bit meh, just less than the Tories do.
If they can keep the wierdos that always vote Tory on side, and use a nice bit of client journalism to win back those that have 'left', then - in their theory - they'll be able to win with at least a 'small' majority, or at the very least something that can be solved with another bribe to the DUP.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're properly fucked. The 'experiment' with the great red wall has been a disaster, and the cabinate is still full of Truss loyalists who still look as incompetent and mad as they did a month ago. Plus this is a late-stage Tory Government, we're never more than 24 hours away from some sort of crisis.
TL,DR I don't think she'll go, not right now. The Tories think they'll win, by hook or by DUP-crook. They won't. Labour are the less shit option, as they always have been.
Flawed logic or not, Hunt at the very least 'looked' like he knew what he was doing.
Plus Labour still look at bit meh, just less than the Tories do.
If they can keep the wierdos that always vote Tory on side, and use a nice bit of client journalism to win back those that have 'left', then - in their theory - they'll be able to win with at least a 'small' majority, or at the very least something that can be solved with another bribe to the DUP.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're properly fucked. The 'experiment' with the great red wall has been a disaster, and the cabinate is still full of Truss loyalists who still look as incompetent and mad as they did a month ago. Plus this is a late-stage Tory Government, we're never more than 24 hours away from some sort of crisis.
TL,DR I don't think she'll go, not right now. The Tories think they'll win, by hook or by DUP-crook. They won't. Labour are the less shit option, as they always have been.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
PMQs tomorrow will be a big factor.
Mordaunt did a pretty good job yesterday. If Truss doesn’t match up, Tories may well decide to dump her.
Keeping her on, in post but not in charge, until a few months before the GE may be a tactic tories are considering.
elbows
Well-Known Member
They dont think they will win, far from it, and it will become a question only of the extent to which they can limit the losses or stumble upon an event-based miracle somewhere along the way.
I find it hard to judge whether she will go this week, because we are in the middle of a campaign to keep her going for now, and the tories will have to figure out a removal mechanism if they cant get her to resign neatly. And the survival campaign could come crashing down at any moment, but in theory the markets (and the desperate measures used to get the markets to behave that way) bought her some time yesterday.
Whether she remains or goes, she is an empty husk.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The starmer figure makes me think the country is ripe for some kind of new party of left or right. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it will happen - the electoral system, the lack of any real social movements that could launch a 'fresh start' party, populist or otherwise. But the combination of a tory party that has just about killed itself and a labour party that is frightened of it's own shadow should be a point of departure. Some kind of new centre left, public sector and welfare state focused party wouldn't be my cup of tea, but could really take advantage of this moment. It's a pity Labour have already had their centre left moment and killed it from within.
It's probably a simplistic notion, but it seems quite plausible now that the Tories could spiral into irrelevance (as a formal party) and the Labour party drifts ever rightwards, attracting all the Establishment support that used to go to the Tories, leaving a space on the left for a European-style social democratic party.
Cid
Proper break this time
Dunno. The technocrats might cut it for keeping the polls from slipping further, and probably will get some level of bounce. But there is still a fucking massive elephant sat in the middle of the HoC... How can Truss ever cut it in an actual election? Surely 1922 etc are aware of this (as the appointment of Hunt and use of Mordaunt shows). I suppose it depends what's happening behind the scenes; is there enough gridlock on who could potentially succeed her that the easier path is just to stick it out?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I have a pessimistic view of this. Where is it going to come from? Who are its leaders? Who funds it? What organisations are going to provide it structure and reach? The traditional unions are either broken or so declawed as to be useless. Labour (small l) is atomised. The "online left" is like a herd of cats.
Neoliberalism has very successfully reduced politics to "choose your manager" . It just doesn't feel like we have a society that knows how to have political ideas any more.
Someone give me a slap.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, that was my point really about if not happening. The conditions are right, but the agents are not really in play. Also the first past the post system leaves Lab and Con like two boxers, out on their feet, holding each other up.
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