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Liz Truss’s time is up
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maomao
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Lord Camomile
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"WTF, you did it?" implies she knew what would happen and didn't actually mean him to do it.
I think it's the exact opposite: she meant him to do it because she had no idea what would happen.
A bit more "oh, turns out my idea didn't work, therefore you're fired"
danny la rouge
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Oh yes.
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elbows
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There are many quotable bits in that article but of most interest to me is probably:
and
None of those outcomes are surprising but I'm still pleased I got to see them demonstrated in such dramatic fashion.
elbows
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Even Kuenssberg manages to latch onto some of those themes, albeit not in an impressive way:
Who is in charge? Liz Truss or Jeremy Hunt?
The new chancellor has junked the prime minister's economic strategy in 24 hours, writes Laura Kuenssberg.
www.bbc.co.uk
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tofu eating wokerati
Oh I don't know. I haven't a clue. It's idle speculation obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were united in their horror at the sheer horlicks the woman has managed to create in record time. The Brady Gang may have presented her with a list of options of which this was the least unacceptable.
not a trot
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Best option for Brady, is to pull up outside number 10, in a removal van.
The 'centrist approach of the last few years'? I can't say I've noticed anything of the kind. Of course they 'know what they're for' - they've always known that. They're for what they've always been - themselves. The only problem (for them) is how thin the veneer on that has become. Shocking analysis even by Kuenssberg standards.Even Kuenssberg manages to latch onto some of those themes, albeit not in an impressive way:
Who is in charge? Liz Truss or Jeremy Hunt?
The new chancellor has junked the prime minister's economic strategy in 24 hours, writes Laura Kuenssberg.www.bbc.co.uk
The ex minister free marketeer speaking in the first quote sounds like Priti Patel. I could hear her saying dismantlin' as I read the world dismantling.
bimble
floofy
They the party really can't blame Liz Truss for this most recent clusterfuck can they, they'd like and will try but it won't work.
I mean they put her there, and that's because of previously having so thoroughly purged themselves of anyone with half a braincell or grasp of reality, which also explains why there wasn't a soul around to advise her how to reduce the damage or even how to not do the mad fantasy thatcher basketcase budget in the first place. they wont be able to pretend it was all Liz's fault, nobody will buy it.
I mean they put her there, and that's because of previously having so thoroughly purged themselves of anyone with half a braincell or grasp of reality, which also explains why there wasn't a soul around to advise her how to reduce the damage or even how to not do the mad fantasy thatcher basketcase budget in the first place. they wont be able to pretend it was all Liz's fault, nobody will buy it.
Puddy_Tat
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yes, as in the bidding wars during the leadership contest about who would be nastiest to migrants, who would have let most people die of covid and so on...
Yes, perhaps. She needs to be clearer. I mean, a commentator in the Third Reich arguing that Aktion T4 should be shut down - only not because it's wicked, but because it would be cheaper to let those people die naturally in the streets, isn't a centrist. They're just not as far along the same road.
She's a thoroughly terrible analyst at the best of times, but claiming the Tories don't know what they're all about is woeful even by her own standards. They do. They're just having trouble selling what they are in the current market of their own making, but that's not the same thing at all.
elbows
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Its more a problem of those who are labelled as things such as 'tory moderates', 'wets' or 'one nation conservatives' being squeezed by the extreme headbangers, and not knowing how to reinvent themselves properly to cope with things like Brexit and the energy transition, not knowing what sales pitch they can use on the electorate under circumstances dominated by those issues. This has left a bit of an ideological vacuum, or at the very least a loss of confidence and leadership in that wing of the party. The policies of the headbangers being demonstrated to be so far out of step with economic and market reality is one thing that needed to happen for them to be able to reinvent themselves, but they'll also have to wait until the climate/energy situation is even more blindingly obvious, and until the process of coming to terms with Brexit by the wider establishment has gone well beyond the dismal stage its reached so far. Whether that will ultimately involve the UK having to crawl on its knees back towards a larger economic block is an unresolved question that will keep the brexiteers vs remoaners busy for a long time to come by the looks of things. And in the meantime the most obvious political forces in this country dare not even speak of such a prospect.
brogdale
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Again, the UK state's trading relationship with the EU appears pretty inconsequential to the markets deciding what price they place on credit to the polity. Can't see any market pressure from globalised fincap to re-engage with the trading bloc whilst their returns are unaffected.
teqniq
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I initially thought of posting this on the Bexit thread but it also deals with the current debacle. Quite surprising for the Torygraph in it's latest incarnation. The writer is a bit all over the shop though finishing off with:
'If it had been done differently it might have succeeded, but it was not....'
Really?
Project Fear was right all along
'If it had been done differently it might have succeeded, but it was not....'
Really?
Project Fear was right all along
elbows
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Those particular markets arent the only game in town, are far from the only potential indicator of low confidence in the future, and I still think the fundamentals of the perilous situation would have come home to roost eventually. Quite which form the crisis would have shown up via first I cannot be sure of, especially as some of the other situations involving covid and war have been able to spread the claimed 'causes of the woe' more broadly, somewhat obscuring brexits role for longer than would otherwise have been the case. Even if those markets didnt care about stuff like a problem with the balance of trade, it would eventually have shown up starkly via other signals.
Returning to my point about the tory ideological void and the opposing camps, Johnson managed to straddle that void via his levelling up sales pitch, and by throwing the headbangers lots of brexit rhetorical bones without actually giving them the lunatic economic policies they wanted. When it came to the actual politics and economics under him, there was stuff in there that the one nation tories could more than live with. Although even if he hadnt self-destructed over partygate etc, I suppose the assumption would have been that the levelling up stuff would eventually have proven to be as hollow as Camerons big society rhetoric, which when coupled with the failure of a glorious post-Brexit golden era to emerge, would have left the tories with the same problem as they've got now, just with a different timescale.
elbows
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Yeah good timing, pretty trivial to weave bits of that into some of the stuff I've been parping on about on this thread today.
Been stuck in a post-Brexit delusional holding pattern where various wings of the tory party, along with other parties and other aspects of the establishment, have just been keeping their heads down and waiting for the shit to hit the fan before sensing the opportunity to reboot their shtick without the risk of being blamed for scuppering the new golden age.
And now the headbangers have burst the delusion by actually testing it via stupid economic policies. Whether another holding pattern can be cobbled together that dampens down the chaos while paying much less heed to the headbangers impossible vision of the future remains to be seen, but either way we can probably move on to at least the next stage of coming to terms with reality. If the chaos persists then we will either skip a few stages ahead in that story, which is long overdue, or perhaps a new, even more desperate delusion will yet emerge. Not convinced even the headbangers can pull that off though given the extent and speed with which their credibility has been put to the test and shredded.
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bimble
floofy
Not really following your idea here. Is it that international finance has just taught this country / the tory party a lesson about the limits of Sovereignty so we're about to enter some sort of period where it dawns on us that brexit wasn't that brilliant an idea after all. I mean, I hope so, but think mostly people will just try to not mention the B word for at least a decade maybe a generation.
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Pretty sure she’ll now do what Johnson did and many US presidents have done: look around and decide that foreign stuff such as wars offer much better prospects than those annoying internal fuckups. Expect a trip to Kiev soon.
The tone of the press release from her first call to the Ukraine read pretty badly. I don't think she'll get to pop over there each time things are a bit dicey at home.
However she will be looking for a piñata and I think it'll be one of the usual far right ones: striking workers, channel migrants, academics, etc...
Ha, no chance. It wouldn't get past a vote and if done without, she'd just be ignored.
elbows
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Well the context that started going off in that direction is more to do with a few different things that impact on the tory party:
What the tory brexiteer headbanger wing wanted to do with the 'Brexit freedom' - the doomed Truss attempt to start to deliver some of that stuff has exploded and with it go their dreams and their sense that they were in the ascendance and what might be possible post-Brexit. And some of the potential pain from Brexit isnt automatic, it only happens if the powers that be decide to use the 'Brexit freedoms' in particular ways. The failed budget offers some clues about the limits to the freedom that has actually been obtained via Brexit.
The problems the whole 'keep your head down and dont mention Brexit' reality posed for the 'one nation tories' wing of the party and their ability to come up with a vision/sales pitch for the future that they could convince themselves and the electorate was possible and desirable. Theres a whole bunch of stuff that they were afraid to go on about in case they were accused of failing to make the most of Brexit, or trying to roll-back Brexit, and I assume they preferred to leave the demonstration of the limitations of what was actually possible, and what could go disastrously wrong, to the headbangers.
I also think that economic Brexit woe would have become much harder to deny at some stage, they wouldnt actually have the luxury of not mentioning Brexit for a decade or a generation, it was always going to rear its ugly head at some point. The Truss explosion adds to the pain and may well have changed the timing of when these other things become undeniable. eg just because stuff like the balance of trade doesnt get talked about on the news anywhere near as much these days as it did when I was young doesnt mean the inability to balance the books when it comes to imports and exports is no longer a big deal, a reckoning on that front is still out there somewhere.
Anyway dont take my word for it, nothing changes if its just people like me saying this sort of thing. I've started going on about it more now because there is some stuff that seems to be pointing in the same direction to be found in articles like the Torygraph one that was mentioned in post https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/liz-truss’s-time-is-up.378779/post-17885597
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