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Living Bar: Racist
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hiraethified
The 'chit chat' section of their website is almost a text book example of how *not* to develop an online community.
Clearly untroubled by moderators, editors or just anyone clearing out the rubbish from time to time, the board is full of customer-scaring rants like, "If you fuck with us we will fuck with you cunts", "LIVING EXCLUDES LOCALS. LIVING IS RACIST. LIVING IS NOT WANTED IN BRIXTON. BURN YOU BASTARDS." and "WELCOM to the SHITBAR hehehe"
Impressive, no?!
Clearly untroubled by moderators, editors or just anyone clearing out the rubbish from time to time, the board is full of customer-scaring rants like, "If you fuck with us we will fuck with you cunts", "LIVING EXCLUDES LOCALS. LIVING IS RACIST. LIVING IS NOT WANTED IN BRIXTON. BURN YOU BASTARDS." and "WELCOM to the SHITBAR hehehe"
Impressive, no?!
Shameful.
I hope we don't know any of those people. Threats and abuse never solved anything.
Mike, perhaps you could offer to moderate Larry's boards??!!
I hope we don't know any of those people. Threats and abuse never solved anything.
Mike, perhaps you could offer to moderate Larry's boards??!!
for fear of being labelled 'in defence of' yet again, BUT
isn't the fact that they allow freedom of expression, good, bad & obviously pretty ugly, a sign that they may be a bit more openminded and less concerned with pr/image than people may think?
clearly most people who subscribe here are not punters. there is quite a cross over of people who drink in satay, bug, z that enjoy the bar. most of my friends from brixton (yes black, white etc) do enjoy certain nights there. they would not go if they had directly encountered racism. but, their views are not counted because they do not subscribe here.
the community does have a right to defend itself. in an earlier post i suggested that maybe all complaints should be taken directly to the management. again, in fear of being deemed 'an insider': has anybody done this yet? surely this would ultimately be far more constructive than comments like 'piss off/sell up'?
S&F aka D.
isn't the fact that they allow freedom of expression, good, bad & obviously pretty ugly, a sign that they may be a bit more openminded and less concerned with pr/image than people may think?
clearly most people who subscribe here are not punters. there is quite a cross over of people who drink in satay, bug, z that enjoy the bar. most of my friends from brixton (yes black, white etc) do enjoy certain nights there. they would not go if they had directly encountered racism. but, their views are not counted because they do not subscribe here.
the community does have a right to defend itself. in an earlier post i suggested that maybe all complaints should be taken directly to the management. again, in fear of being deemed 'an insider': has anybody done this yet? surely this would ultimately be far more constructive than comments like 'piss off/sell up'?
S&F aka D.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Only as my alter-ego, Madame Lafarge.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Dangerous - Into Stella did no such thing. Re-read her post. She was just drawing your attention to the fact that people coming on these boards claiming to be someone they are not tend to get short shrift from other posters. She used the metaphor of getting thier "arse kicked" to illustrate this. If you took that as a "threat" you must be pretty flippin' sensitive.
LOL!!
John Wisehammer
lifestyle trendy vicar
"isn't the fact that they allow freedom of expression..."
I don't think it shows a lack of concern about image or commitment to freedom of expression - I think it just means no-one's bothered to look at the site recently!
I don't think it shows a lack of concern about image or commitment to freedom of expression - I think it just means no-one's bothered to look at the site recently!
Anna Key
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He also has an interest in Dogstar, Mass, Z Bar and Redstar (Camberwell) plus a bar called PLAY in Clerkenwell. Maybe others too.
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I find it interesting that Mr Merritt is rumoured to have some involvement in the Z Bar.
I wonder if there is still a file in the filling cabinet from when this bar was called the Brixton Brasserie? the file was said to be named 'Wogs' and was rumoured to contain details of non-white employees?
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He also has an interest in Dogstar, Mass, Z Bar and Redstar (Camberwell) plus a bar called PLAY in Clerkenwell. Maybe others too.
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I find it interesting that Mr Merritt is rumoured to have some involvement in the Z Bar.
I wonder if there is still a file in the filling cabinet from when this bar was called the Brixton Brasserie? the file was said to be named 'Wogs' and was rumoured to contain details of non-white employees?
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Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Is this something you know for a fact Happy? Can you verify this? If not I'd be careful. Don't leave yourself open to possible libel complications.
I was told about the existence of the alleged file in 1995 when the Z bar was called the 'Brixton Brasserie'.
One of the employees allegedly found the file marked 'Wogs' and was surprised to find the details of black employees inside it.
I have no idea if Mr Merritt was involved in the bar when this incident took place.
Edited to add some backgound information
A friend of my flatmate at the time, used to work at the Brixton brasserie, she found the filling cabinet unlocked and had a look inside, this is when she says she found the file.
One of the employees allegedly found the file marked 'Wogs' and was surprised to find the details of black employees inside it.
I have no idea if Mr Merritt was involved in the bar when this incident took place.
Edited to add some backgound information
A friend of my flatmate at the time, used to work at the Brixton brasserie, she found the filling cabinet unlocked and had a look inside, this is when she says she found the file.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Oooh horrid to hear mention of the Brixton brasserie..they grudgingly served me & Mr M with a meal once...they were not keen on an uncool couple eating there...one of them blind too.....The food was execreble though expensive. Naturally we never went back.
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I ordered a tequila sunrise in the Brixton Brassiere once. The barman STIRRED it. (It was more of a tequila sodium light).
I ordered a tequila sunrise in the Brixton Brassiere once. The barman STIRRED it. (It was more of a tequila sodium light).
Have just re-read Jo's msge. Did not get the full force of what was written the first time round. My reaction? Feel pretty stunned also, whose ever file it is/was. Could jo provide us with a bit more info? did she/someone else actually work for LM etc?
Referring to my comment on your 'threat': I did not take it seriously, more a comment to highlight the double meanings of what you wrote. But others may have seen it as a threat, and it doesn;t look great does it?
S&F
Overtaken by edited messages
Referring to my comment on your 'threat': I did not take it seriously, more a comment to highlight the double meanings of what you wrote. But others may have seen it as a threat, and it doesn;t look great does it?
S&F
Overtaken by edited messages
The Equal Opportunities Commission site has some interesting information:
"The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (SDA) makes it unlawful for pubs and nightclubs which are open to the public to discriminate on the ground of sex when providing goods, facilities and services ... it applies equally to discrimination against men"
"QUESTION- Can a nightclub refuse to admit large parties of one sex?
ANSWER - To operate a policy that automatically bars all-male but not all-female parties (or vice versa) is likely to be unlawful."
"The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (SDA) makes it unlawful for pubs and nightclubs which are open to the public to discriminate on the ground of sex when providing goods, facilities and services ... it applies equally to discrimination against men"
"QUESTION- Can a nightclub refuse to admit large parties of one sex?
ANSWER - To operate a policy that automatically bars all-male but not all-female parties (or vice versa) is likely to be unlawful."
LDR
kiwitanga
The word is getting round.
My wife (Jo) was arranging to meet her girlfriends for a drink - they normally meet at the Living but Jo says she doesn't want to go there for the reasons already discussed.
Her mates replied, that neither do they because they heard about the reputation of the owner. As far as I know, Jo's friends don't look at the boards so they must have heard elsewhere.
My wife (Jo) was arranging to meet her girlfriends for a drink - they normally meet at the Living but Jo says she doesn't want to go there for the reasons already discussed.
Her mates replied, that neither do they because they heard about the reputation of the owner. As far as I know, Jo's friends don't look at the boards so they must have heard elsewhere.
editor
hiraethified
Time for another reminder to posters: please bear in mind that the defammation laws are the same for websites as print media, and passing off any unsubstantiated opinions as fact may lead to legal problems.
You are free to express opinions, rumours and things you've heard, but please be careful about making specific accusations.
Bear in mind that the legal process in such cases can revolve around who's got the deepest wallets so please consider your posts carefully.
Cautiously yours....
You are free to express opinions, rumours and things you've heard, but please be careful about making specific accusations.
Bear in mind that the legal process in such cases can revolve around who's got the deepest wallets so please consider your posts carefully.
Cautiously yours....
I did not reply to your post. Isvicthere? replied to your post. I am sorry if you are not acquainted with the metaphorical term 'to get one's butt kicked', meaning to get short shrift and carrying no implicit threat of violence of any sort.
No-one ever suggested that YOU, Dangerous, were going get your 'butt kicked.'
I clearly stated that THOSE WHO COME ON THESE BOARDS THINKING PEOPLE ARE GULLIBLE AND STUPID tend to get their butt kicked.
So your inferred threat seems like a clear admission that you DO think people on these boards are gullible and stupid. Otherwise, why would you take offence?
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PS: Don't you love it when threads stop making sense?!
Merrettising Brixton
One point which hasn't been mentioned yet:-
Mr Merrett has constructed his Living Bar drinking deck on Coldharbour Lane without planning consent. See above for details and sources.
This is proven. Anyone can check the Council records. I've quoted some of them above.
By doing so he's disrespected the local community and undermined local democracy (IMHO). He's subverted the legal rights of his neighbours to influence their local built environment.
This isn't the end of the world, but it's irritating. Also the Coach and Horses (as was) is a good example of late 19thC pub architecture. It doesn't deserve to be Merettised [verb. To merrettise. From: Merrettism; a branch of 1980s capitalism. See Thatcherism.]
Mr Merrett was asked last July by Lambeth Council, formally and in writing, to regularise the situation. He didn't. He's now been told again, in a formal report to Planning Committee. Lets see what happens.
Until the Council make him take it down (or he receives retrospective planning consent after everyone's been consulted) the drinking deck remains in use. He's making money from it.
Would Lambeth Council licensing department award an entertainments license covering a drinking deck constructed without planning permission and subject to enforcement action?
Would a Magistrates' Court grant a license for alcohol consumption in respect of such an (unauthorised) edifice?
I'm checking this. Should others care to join me, feel free.
Details are:-
Lambeth Council Senior Services Officer (Licensing): Mr W Pape (bppape@lambeth.gov.uk).
The Licensing Clerk to the Greater London Magistrates Court Authority: Mr Philip Fernandez (philip.fernandez@glmca.mcs.gov.uk)
BTW Dangerous. Your writing style remind me SO MUCH of a certain "Larry" who posted here last year. Even certain spelling and grammar errors are identical. Are you by any chance related?
I'm unable to access the U75 "Larry" archives to make a detailed check. The link given earlier on this thread doesn't work.
One point which hasn't been mentioned yet:-
Mr Merrett has constructed his Living Bar drinking deck on Coldharbour Lane without planning consent. See above for details and sources.
This is proven. Anyone can check the Council records. I've quoted some of them above.
By doing so he's disrespected the local community and undermined local democracy (IMHO). He's subverted the legal rights of his neighbours to influence their local built environment.
This isn't the end of the world, but it's irritating. Also the Coach and Horses (as was) is a good example of late 19thC pub architecture. It doesn't deserve to be Merettised [verb. To merrettise. From: Merrettism; a branch of 1980s capitalism. See Thatcherism.]
Mr Merrett was asked last July by Lambeth Council, formally and in writing, to regularise the situation. He didn't. He's now been told again, in a formal report to Planning Committee. Lets see what happens.
Until the Council make him take it down (or he receives retrospective planning consent after everyone's been consulted) the drinking deck remains in use. He's making money from it.
Would Lambeth Council licensing department award an entertainments license covering a drinking deck constructed without planning permission and subject to enforcement action?
Would a Magistrates' Court grant a license for alcohol consumption in respect of such an (unauthorised) edifice?
I'm checking this. Should others care to join me, feel free.
Details are:-
Lambeth Council Senior Services Officer (Licensing): Mr W Pape (bppape@lambeth.gov.uk).
The Licensing Clerk to the Greater London Magistrates Court Authority: Mr Philip Fernandez (philip.fernandez@glmca.mcs.gov.uk)
BTW Dangerous. Your writing style remind me SO MUCH of a certain "Larry" who posted here last year. Even certain spelling and grammar errors are identical. Are you by any chance related?
I'm unable to access the U75 "Larry" archives to make a detailed check. The link given earlier on this thread doesn't work.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
Yes, what happened to that thread? The link worked ok a couple of days ago.
Intostella: Last one on this note, it is truly starting to get really confusing.
-I was trying to highlight the 'hypocrasy' of what you wrote regarding threats.
-My calling what you wrote as 'threat' does not imply that i actually thought that you were REALLY going to kick butt!
On a different, more cryptic level: what is the difference between a threat and an implied threat, anyway? Surely they are both pretty much the same thing unless they lead to actual violence?
But no! Ididn't think you were really going to.
I did get lost with the 'therefore you must think that people on this board are gullible' bit....?
Anna: how can i reply to that one? my writing style is my own, sorry about that. Short of sticking a jpeg up with a full frontal and my wobbly bits, not sure what will work. but then you would probably think that was a set up too, wouldn;t you?
Confused, S&F
-I was trying to highlight the 'hypocrasy' of what you wrote regarding threats.
-My calling what you wrote as 'threat' does not imply that i actually thought that you were REALLY going to kick butt!
On a different, more cryptic level: what is the difference between a threat and an implied threat, anyway? Surely they are both pretty much the same thing unless they lead to actual violence?
But no! Ididn't think you were really going to.
I did get lost with the 'therefore you must think that people on this board are gullible' bit....?
Anna: how can i reply to that one? my writing style is my own, sorry about that. Short of sticking a jpeg up with a full frontal and my wobbly bits, not sure what will work. but then you would probably think that was a set up too, wouldn;t you?
Confused, S&F
John Wisehammer
lifestyle trendy vicar
You could always stick the jpeg up and give us a bit of a laugh in any case, dangerous!
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Merrettising Brixton
This has already been raised at a Lambeth Transport and Traffic Meeting as it has blocked sight lines for cars turning into Coldharbour Lane and there have been several near-misses.........
This has already been raised at a Lambeth Transport and Traffic Meeting as it has blocked sight lines for cars turning into Coldharbour Lane and there have been several near-misses.........
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