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Living Bar: Racist

Pubs = ace, "bars" = shit (c. NVP)

I share all the other peoples' outrage! I never went in for no other real reason than I don't like "stylish bars" (give me untrendy PUBS any time) but it would appear there are very very good and principled reasons for avoiding it.

I agree with hatboy. Noise this (seemingly) noisesome character's conduct far and wide ... or perhaps he might care to respond here? He has done before.
 
My wife and some of her other girlfriends frequent the Living Room from time to time. They like "stylish bars" and having girly cocktail nights, etc. Not my idea of a good night out, but different strokes for different folks.

Until Hatboy mentioned it to her, she would have had no idea about the discriminating polices that are employed there.

Herein lies the problem, I suspect most patrons of the establishment are unaware of the discrimination that goes on and I think awareness needs to be raised, but short of writing letters to papers I'm not sure of the best way to do this.

My wife would never have gone there if she had known about the discrimination before hand.
 
One word of caution: several of these posts could be drifting into the area of defamation: please be careful what you post!

I'm also a little uncomfortable with this all being one-way traffic: if I see Lawrence I will inform him of this thread and give him the opportunity to defend himself, but if anyone's going to the place, please mention this thread!

Equitably yours...
 
Mrs Magpie

sorry to disagree, but Lebensraum is still used commonly in Germany and has no association with Nazi Germany. It never once crossed my mind that I could not use this word in any phrase whatsoever nor do any of my friends. Maybe its just a bit of media hype. Personally I use this word a lot for interior design and creating new images for furniture companies.

S
 
Sorry sunshine

but I have to agree with Mrs. M.

The word 'Lebensraum' is still used but only as the German expression for biosphere (eg nature, animals,...).

Regarding interior design and furniture the appropiate words would be 'Wohnraum' or 'Wohnzimmer'. :)
 
CH

If I have the time I forward you the leaflets we did for a few Italian furniture companies. We did them for the Moebelmesse in Koeln. The reason why they wanted it, is to give it a new twist.

Anyway, would you agree that we (I am also German mothertongue) use the word Wohnraum quiet commonly without thinking about Nazi Germany?

Schoenes Wochenende CH;)

S
 
Sunshine, why shouldn't we use Wohnraum and why, when we do it, should we think about the Nazis? :confused: It's an entirely different term.

But I think we are destroying a very good and important thread, so if we discuss the semantics of words any further we should maybe start a new one. :)
 
ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Stylebar

if I see Lawrence I will inform him of this thread and give him the opportunity to defend himself,

Good. Until he does here's some more grist.

Living Bar keeps building things without planning permission!

Examples:-

Tasteful drinking deck on Coldharbour Lane
Ubercool projected advertising signage and associated equipment
Full length window on Electric Lane
Air conditioning plant on the roof

The Council have warned Mr Merrett several times, in writing, to apply for retrospective planning consent or to remove the items. Nothing happens.

Mr Merrett is highly fortunate not to have had enforcement action taken against him by the council. Lambeth has wide legal powers in this area. They've an expensive legal department (paid for by us) to enforce these powers. They've failed to move against him, despite very clear breaches and repeated written warnings from their own planners.

This is much less serious than the discrimination charge, but is still an issue and is easily proven. Anyone can look in the planning file. There's also stuff in pdf files on the Council web site - see reports to 23/4/02 planning committee meeting.

IMO this is a clear, public record, proven, long-standing example of Mr Merrett's contempt for the local community.

Planning law gives people just a tiny bit of control over their local environment. Living Bar, by subverting the planning rules, denies the community that control. I don't want to go over the top here, but it's actually a small attack on local democracy itself.

It's also taking advantage of the fact that the areas is poor. Imagine Mr Merrett trying this sort of behaviour in a rich district - say Kensington or Westminster - he'd have a highly organised, highly litigious residents' group after him quick as a flash. He'd be out in six months. If he didn't shut up at night he'd have his sound equipment confiscated and his liquor license removed.

So not only is he ripping money out of Brixton and giving nothing back, disrespecting the local community and subverting local democracy, he's taking advantage of the area's poverty in order to line his pocket.

And then there's the discrimination charge.
 
I've been telling people about Mr Merrit for five years. Don't under-estimate the strength of feeling on this Mike, nor the justification for this feeling. What is the point of asking for Merrit's response on this? His attitude will be as it was on the other linked thread of many months ago. I've hoped he would mellow and change. He clearly has not.

ENOUGH!!


Richard Waterhouse - I want to hear from you. Please get in touch. Anyone know this man?

Anna Key - and other locals with experience of this outrage, please get in touch also.

I have had enough of the discord, and frankly, pain that Mr Merrit is causing in this community. We need to speak up.

I am not exaggerating about Mr Merrit Mike. Don't think that for a moment. The proof is all around you.
 
How about an open letter in the Press simply asking for:

a) His door policy.
b) His reason for not seeking planning permission for alterations to the building.
 
He will state, as before, that his door policy is not racist.

I value more the comments I hear almost weekly from black friends and aquaintances who have been offended by him/his establishments.

Get out of Brixton Laurence. We don't fucking want you here. Just piss off.
 
IF Merrett is guilty as charged, and IF the racism accusation can be made to stick (never mind the fact that his joint is a soulless,over-hyped, crass airport lounge of a bar-if that was a crime, Islington would have gone bust years ago), then we need 3 things:
1) leafletting (leaflet checked by m'learned friends, natch)
2) picketting (also subject to legal advice)
3) full gory details on that brixton local website, Mike, HB, you know what its called
 
Mike - Taken into account what has been said on this thread would it be worth considering an update to the blurb under Brixton Bar Listings?

the Living Room comes as close to a New York bar as Brixton can get.
 
Yes that's right Mike. I really don't think you can continue to be equivocal about this place. How many times do you need to hear of Mr Merrit's hateful attitudes?
 
No offence, like, but without more actual evidence of racism it just sounds like a lynch mob.

<suddenly realises the irony in her choice of words>
 
I had a similar experience...

used to be a memeber of a glam house affair called Pushca.

They started doing monthly parties at the Ministry of Sound. My mate came over from Taiwan, having heard a lot about the Ministry of Sound he was really keen to go. So I bought some Pushca tickets and off we went..

There were eight of us in the group, seven white and one Taiwanese. They refused him entry, gave us all sorts of bullshit about what he was wearing. He looked the same as the rest of us though! The door pickers were the same couple I've been acquainted with for years, been to loads of their parties.

Anyway, in the end, none of us went in. Got a refund and wrote them a nasty letter. I sent my membership card back in disgust.

Sad to think that this sort of thing still goes on ......

:confused:
 
it is true that in the living room and dogstar and redstar are very few black people.

surely one of the reasons by the management would be to try to cut out on drug dealing (coldharbourlane blahblah) although it isn't actually very difficult to recognise people who use hard drugs from people who don't, regardless of skincolour. so really this excuse doesn't count!

but then again the living room in particular attracts mainly boring/mainstream people that i think that even a bunch of colourful artist would have a hard time to be allowed in.

what a pitty that the owner of the dogstar and living room (i believe they are the same people already) did (eventually) get permission for the premises of old brixton cycles. how sad, as if there are no other individuals who could run a bar/club and bring us something new.

apparently the living room, dogstar and that new bar in atlantic road are full of coke-heads at management level. in a way these individuals shouldn't be allowed to their own parties/premises. but of course this is acceptable only a little bit of coke... and an extra big line for the new brixton cycles deal yeahhhh!!!!!
 
bang to rights

To back-up what I posted earlier about Living Bar planning law violations:-

Extract from report to 23/4/02 Lambeth Council Planning Committee meeting:

"You are advised that the front decking, air conditioning units, sign light projectors, spotlights and full length window fronting Electric Lane are unauthorsied and require planning permission. These should be removed and the premises reinstated to its original condition, or a planning application submitted to regularise these alterations, within one month from the date of
this decision. Failure to do so will result in enforcement action to secure the removal of these alterations."


Extract from minutes of 23/4/02 Lambeth Council Planning Committee meeting:

"RESOLVED: That the application be approved subject to the
conditions set out in the report."

These two documents can be found as pdfs on the Lambeth Council website.

The formal position, therefore, is that Lambeth Council has now given Mr Merrett until 23/5/02 to obey planning rules or face enforcement action.

The planning enforcement officer is Mr Paul Wilford. He's based at the Acre Lane planning office. I'll try and find an email address for him.
 
Re: my review of the Living (Room). The Brixton guide is there to help and inform people going out for a night.

It would be absolutely hypocritical of me to start telling people never to set foot in the place when I've enjoyed (mid week) evenings there quite recently - as have many others who post here, if I'm not mistaken.

But that's not to say that alleged racist behaviour by the club should be overlooked: I will make sure that any reported incidents of racism are made *very* public on this site.

I would suggest that a well-researched, factual piece including first hand attributed testimony would be the way to forward these accusations and I would be delighted to link to such a feature from the Living Room review.

Naturally, there would be a forum thread offering a right to reply and giving others the opportunity to add their own experiences.

As Ruby has pointed out, an endless stream of unsubstantiated accusations here will most probably come over as a load of personal axe-grinding and might possibly leave posters open to the possibility of legal action.

Now, who wants to write that article?!
 
Yes, the Living Room does not reflect the diversity of the local community at all.

A very nice bloke I know (who shall remain nameless) dj-ed there every week for two years and recently got 'replaced' by someone else, and was given no reason or warning. He brought in the crowds and it was a popular night. (Not most people here's cuppa tea, like, but he celebrated the naffness of it goodheartedly;) )......

It seems like, as well as the lack of consideration for the local community (awful decking, no planning permission etc.), and these allegations of racism, that he also treats his staff like disposable cogs in his money-making machine. Once he THINKS they're looking slightly worn (even if they're REALLY popular, like Bang's night obviously was), he'll dump 'em. Just like that.

[I've just edited this, as I have changed my mind about a few things.]
 
<oops, simultaneous posting alert!>

A feature on this site about the Living Room?
Oooh, interesting. Interesting!
 
Who wants to go on the record, name and everything, about specific racist incedents they've experienced or witnessed there? Given a few names, I'd be happy to write it up. Might make a nice article for one of the local papers, no?
 
Unfortunately it's not just a matter of who writes the piece but who publishes it. I think any paper would see it as too much of a legal hot potato.
And I have to agree with Mike that there is absolutely no point in getting u75 sued.
While it might, theoretically, make a great court case, the legal costs would be completely prohibitive. A u75 fighting fund and a whip-round in the Albert just couldn't cut it.
The libel laws may have changed over the years but in cases like this (and it would turn into a very complex case), it is usually the person with the most high powered lawyers who wins, not the person who is 'right'.
However, it is certainly true to say that Laurence Merrett has flagrantly breached planning laws on several occasions and it is fair comment that his bars have had a detrimental effect on the area. I think it is also fair comment that he does not give a damn about the local community and that he is taking the piss.
 
Yes please!

Originally posted by gea
although it isn't actually very difficult to recognise people who use hard drugs from people who don't

Can I have 27,000 places on the course please, for my collegaues and I?

Or did you miss out the word "some"?

Couldn't agree more with your comments about executive-level coke use though - and the lawyers, TV people, advertising execs, accountants, City types ...

Perhaps we should forget about white-collar crime and start having a bit of a go at white nostril crime!
 
Whoah, just a minute!

This seems like a wild rant about a quite unsubstantiated incident which has sparked off a whole host of accusations.

Originally posted by editor

As Ruby has pointed out, an endless stream of unsubstantiated accusations here will most probably come over as a load of personal axe-grinding [/B]

Well said, Ruby and Ed. I am not surprised that Larry has not replied to this thread. He made quite a good case for the last attack, alot of which became personally directed at him. Judging from most of the comments here, save possibly claims from Anna & Richard, there are alot of people with axes to grind, or that have simply jumped at the chance to have moan and that see this as another excuse to have a pop at someone/something (is this what is known as rubber-necking?!)


Lets have a look at some basic facts:

Race issues & Living

-Lawrence himself is mixed race, I think
-the manager of the bar is from Indonesia
-the barstaff are a pretty mixed bunch too
-security on the door / ash tray collectors are both black, white etc
-it may have a predominantly white clientele, but on most nights that i have been there (quite a few) there has been a rough split of white/other 60/40
-none of my friends (black, white, yellow blah blah) have ever encountered any form of harrassment, save pissed up twats on the dance floor on the pull (although i realise that this does not discount that others may have encountered racism there - this is my own testimony)
-what sparked off this thread? possibly someone with his own personal axe. music policy is directed by demand or by other forces. club nights do change (even successful ones!)

Racism in general
Race is an issue in Brixton! There are many places that are predominatly black. I left the place about 3 years ago and was glad to go because there is alot of segregation between communities -much more than in other parts of London.

It is good to raise this type of debate, but surely it can be raised in a more sensitive way? How easy it is to jump on the bandwagon. How hard it is to turn back the clocks once racial hatred is ignited. The type of comments on this forum, and possibly some actions planned through it can fuel more tension. Allegations should of course be fully investigated, but is there not enough tension in Brixton already, without the need to incite more?

The wider context - the society in which we live

Other allegations have been thrown into the mix which bring up questions from a much, much wider debate. Many U75 members come from an anti-globalisation anti-capitalist leaning, could these issues therefore, not be addressed properly in that context? On the decking and the window complaints, i personally do not see these as a problem, but then i dont live on coldharbour. I can understand that some residents may, however, have a prorblem with them. But aren't the Macdonalds, Tescos and KFCs of this world not far more offensive/socially & environmentally damaging?

Although we live in a democracy, it is a rat democracy. How many of you voted in the last election? Probably quite a few on this board! But society in general doesn't give a toss. Why waste time thinking about who to vote for, when labour/cons/libs will get in anyway? Most people therefore either don't think about candidates' actual policies or don't vote altogether, but get on with watching 'who wants to be a millionaire' or with 'blib=nd date'. This is called free-riding (free-loading?) and sadly is the basis of our society. As long as society doesn't give a shit (big) business buys policies to suit their interests. Whilst I am not justifying bribes, corruption blah blah it is a fact of the society we live in, and is part of our so-called democracy.

I am new to U75, but there is clearly alot of acrimony towards Lawrence and his bars. Is this because of his success and any perceived effects this has had on the gentrification of Brixton? There is much talk of old and new Brixton, but surely aren't we all new?

All things, be it the culture of a community, or the culture of a civilisation must change and do change. Nothing is static, but is constantly moving. The sooner people can see that, the easier it is to both move on and accept change whilst still preserving the good out of the old!

End of rant (my hand hurts!)

I do not condone racism. Allegations need to be looked at carefully. Debate should be sensitive. Brixton no need more tension. Wider debate...anyone up for it? ;)
 
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