Labour leadership

[nino_savatte]

Ralph Miliband, thou shouldst be living at this hour.

 

[nino_savatte]

So pay £3 and help build a campaign to make sure they don't (and VP - to change th composition of that leadership cadre).

I salute your optimism but I don't share it. Labour is in its death throes. The best thing that can happen is for what remains of the Labour left to split and leave the Blairite filth to merge with the Lib Dems.

The Tories would be well advised not to celebrate Labour's demise, because they're next.

 

[J Ed]

For those with faceache, this is great https://www.facebook.com/pages/Liz-Kendall-for-Conservative-Leader/785674451530108?fref=ts

 

[AC14]

AC14 You have been asked a lot of very specific, reasonable and salient questions in your absence. There were a lot of them and it would take some time to reply to them all. However, could you at least have a go because you haven't contributed anything specific to the debate so far. You've just called people names and said very vague stuff about it being important to be in power.

People as wrong-minded and outmoded as us are surely sitting targets to be picked apart with reason and evidence. Why don't you have a go?

I've been called a lot of names as well, but good point. Happy to wade through few tonight.

 

[AC14]

Maybe you could reply to this, AC14.

I think this says it better than I could (and I think this person should be one of our candidates v soon): http://noramulready.com/2015/06/15/575/

 

[AC14]

typical lab-bot response

I have decided to ignore people who post adhominems or abuse so please understand why I don't reply to nonsense like this (this excepted)

 

[AC14]

He's certainly dodged every effort to get him to express a view beyond "Labour needs to be less left-wing" so far, but everyone has an ideology, and he says his is socialism, so I'm curious to see what he thinks that means. It'd go a long way to furthering the discussion he claims to be asking for if he makes it clear what he wants to achieve.

See the link I just posted. Why the 'he'?

 

[AC14]

For those with faceache, this is great https://www.facebook.com/pages/Liz-Kendall-for-Conservative-Leader/785674451530108?fref=ts

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Just embarrassing.

 

[AC14]

It is a weird frickin world where you get accused of being a "north london middle class" type for not being a Blairite.

Like Corbyn?

 

[brogdale]

I think this says it better than I could (and I think this person should be one of our candidates v soon): http://noramulready.com/2015/06/15/575/

Who wrote that shite?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Like Corbyn?

Never met him.

 

[AC14]

Who wrote that shite?

It's really not hard to find out, but that's not a powerful argument against it.

 

[Rob Ray]

See the link I just posted. Why the 'he'?

Because I was replying to someone else about you?

Who wrote that shite?

+1 for that, whoever wrote it sounds like the kind of wanker who'd look at a burning house and say "I'd dearly love to put that fire out but grilling some sausages on the ashes is the best I can manage."

 

[SpookyFrank]

We need to look beyond traditional left wing ideas like not kicking old ladies to death in the street and welcome the old-lady-kickers-to-death of this nation into a new political consensus based on a shared vision of fairness, decency and kicking old ladies to death in the street. The radical left would have you believe that fairness and arbitrary violence against the elderly are fundamentally incompatible ideas, but that's just because they're silly and childish and they don't understand the need for compromise.

 

[brogdale]

It's really not hard to find out, but that's not a powerful argument against it.

So you're not prepared to say who authored a piece that you linked to? Strange.

 

[AC14]

So you're not prepared to say who authored a piece that you linked to? Strange.

Are you serious? Her name is in the link.

 

[AC14]

Are you serious? Her name is in the link.

It's her blog.

You need me to tell you her name given she says it herself?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's really not hard to find out, but that's not a powerful argument against it.

i was hoping nora mulready was a pseudonym because i thought no one could possibly publish such vapid wank under their own name brogdale

 

[AC14]

i was hoping nora mulready was a pseudonym because i thought no one could possibly publish such vapid wank under their own name brogdale

OK, can't be bothered with you either.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Nora Mulready. Haringey Labour apparently? Awful Tory shite either way.

eta: she doesn't seem to have a Guardian column but I'm not sure why not

 

[AC14]

Nora Mulready. Haringey Labour apparently? Awful Tory shite either way.

Apart from the blog, which is not Tory. And makes sense.

Screaming 'Tory' is an easy riposte, but a poor one.

 

[Pickman's model]

OK, can't be bothered with you either.

grand

 

[Pickman's model]

Apart from the blog, which is not Tory. And makes sense.

it's an opinion i suppose.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Apart from the blog, which is not Tory. And makes sense.

It is very very Tory.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is very very Tory.

not in a good way either i'm sure

 

[AC14]

It is very very Tory.

Apart from being angry that the Tories are in power, disgusted with their moves, and utterly committed to opportunities for working class people - on top of so much else.
As I said. Easy riposte without substance.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

We need to look beyond traditional left wing ideas like not kicking old ladies to death in the street and welcome the old-lady-kickers-to-death of this nation into a new political consensus based on a shared vision of fairness, decency and kicking old ladies to death in the street. The radical left would have you believe that fairness and arbitrary violence against the elderly are fundamentally incompatible ideas, but that's just because they're silly and childish and they don't understand the need for compromise.

Kicking to death? Outside of Islington I think we can all acknowledge the elderly can't expect anything that soft.

 

[Libertad]

We need to look beyond traditional left wing ideas like not kicking old ladies to death in the street and welcome the old-lady-kickers-to-death of this nation into a new political consensus based on a shared vision of fairness, decency and kicking old ladies to death in the street. The radical left would have you believe that fairness and arbitrary violence against the elderly are fundamentally incompatible ideas, but that's just because they're silly and childish and they don't understand the need for compromise.

Beautifully done, I salute you cmbbe.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And on international relations, war and peace, well I would dearly love to be a pacifist in a peaceful world, in a world where no-one ever had to fight for the right to be who they were, in a world where there were no oppressed minorities, no Boko Haram, no Assads, no Al Queda, no Taliban, no totalitarian or theocratic dictatorships, a world where the Kurds hadn’t been gassed, where they weren’t being forced to kill or be killed by ISIS, where American airstrikes were not needed to defend women against mass rape, the removal of breasts, the gauging out of eyes.

This is all one sentence. And not a sentence written by a person in a good state of mental health. It seems to me that this person would actually hate to live in a world without all those dreadful things, because then she might have to make actual points instead of just insinuating that Jeremy Corbym is in favour of people getting their breasts cut off.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apart from being angry that the Tories are in power, disgusted with their moves, and utterly committed to opportunities for working class people - on top of so much else.
As I said. Easy riposte without substance.

what your blog says is let's go round killing for peace. that's surely not a good idea. if only the last labour government hadn't been so bloodthirsty, precipitating pogroms in kosovo for example.