brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Even #ifCorbynwins...them's his shad-cab ministers...leading a party of neo-lib, austerity believing shysters.
Labour leadership
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Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes.
I now expect to be attacked for not being your type of socialist or not having the correct line on whatever - i.e. for how we achieve social justice and greater equality rather than if we achieve it at all.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I think you'll be attacked (mildly rebuked and abused over the internet actually) for your arrogance, your sense of entitlement and your lack of any underpinning values beyond the desire to 'win' (where winning is defined so narrowly that the contest is becoming irrelevant to an increasing number of people).
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
What do you consider to be my type of socialist?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It is a weird frickin world where you get accused of being a "north london middle class" type for not being a Blairite.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
'I understand your concerns but what you've got to bear in mind is that you're wrong, we're right, and we're not going to do anything about them because that would be unrealistic. Now vote for us because Tories.'
red & green
Well-Known Member
I watched that newsnight labour leadership programme .
I respect Jeremy Corbyn because he is a v good MP and his politics are real because he takes the experiences of his constituents seriously - the other 3 too conscious of their media training which made them all seem patronising and contrived and unreal -
Labour Party is a farce - it's all about media promotion and these people don't know anyone ordinary -
And it's no longer 'the party of labour 'but the party of bleeding middle management -
In bed with the bosses
I respect Jeremy Corbyn because he is a v good MP and his politics are real because he takes the experiences of his constituents seriously - the other 3 too conscious of their media training which made them all seem patronising and contrived and unreal -
Labour Party is a farce - it's all about media promotion and these people don't know anyone ordinary -
And it's no longer 'the party of labour 'but the party of bleeding middle management -
In bed with the bosses
'I understand your concerns but what you've got to bear in mind is that you're wrong, we're right, and we're not going to do anything about them because that would be unrealistic. Now vote for us because Tories.'
Why do you do this?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You will not be able to extricate any kind of thought from him beyond name calling, pouting about others calling him names and other similar tantrums. There is no actual ideology here beyond the acquistion of power on the backs of people who are principled while denouncing and punishing them for being so naive as to have principles in the first place.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Do what? What do you think I'm doing there?
Talking nonsense and setting up straw men.
red & green
Well-Known Member
So what is your reply to Comrade Spursky's post - a real life situation?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
To be a straw man it would need to be a representation of your argument. I'm sure what I said isn't what you think you're saying and I'm not trying to say it is.
It wasn't that though - it was about your attitude and the party's attitude which absolutely reeks of 'we're right, you're wrong and we're not listening to you.'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
He certainly seems to be running the gammut of A level critical thinking terminology doesn't he? And getting most of them wrong, I hope he's not got his exams coming up 
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sure you will.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Except that such a thing can't be done until the membership rules have been revised, and the party's internal "democracy" has been democratised.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
He's certainly dodged every effort to get him to express a view beyond "Labour needs to be less left-wing" so far, but everyone has an ideology, and he says his is socialism, so I'm curious to see what he thinks that means. It'd go a long way to furthering the discussion he claims to be asking for if he makes it clear what he wants to achieve.
andysays
Love and solidarity
This sums up the modern-day Labour party to a tee. Trite, smug, pompous and patronising all in a couple of short sentences.
Have you considered standing for the leadership yourself?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
typical lab-bot response
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
AC14 You have been asked a lot of very specific, reasonable and salient questions in your absence. There were a lot of them and it would take some time to reply to them all. However, could you at least have a go because you haven't contributed anything specific to the debate so far. You've just called people names and said very vague stuff about it being important to be in power.
People as wrong-minded and outmoded as us are surely sitting targets to be picked apart with reason and evidence. Why don't you have a go?
People as wrong-minded and outmoded as us are surely sitting targets to be picked apart with reason and evidence. Why don't you have a go?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
There aren't many like-minded people in the party, and because of the shallow pool of talent he's got to draw from, he'd end up with a cabinet of backstabbing filth. That said, some of the new intake is supposed to be the most left-wing in years. Richard Burgon, Cat Smith and Clive Lewis look interesting. But then I see the numbers of MPs that have nominated the 'modernisers' and I despair.
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