Labour leadership

[nino_savatte]

i'd suggest as a start that a 'proper leader' is one who stands a reasonable chance of being elected - bumping along at 25%, turning a 45 year solid, 15,000 majority labour seat into a marginal, and being less trusted among Labour voters than David Cameron would perhaps indicate that Corbyn is being less than successful at being a 'proper leader'...

others, of course, may hold differing views.

None of those mentioned stand a reasonable chance of being elected (other than by Nu Labourites). They're damaged goods.

 

[nino_savatte]

To protect the PLP against revenge deselections following a coup against the Jezbollah.

Yes, revenge deselections will happen if your boys take control.

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

I suppose I've been worrying more about deselection than murder, but I suspect that there aren't that many Corbynistas prepared to behead moderate Labour MPs on video. It might just be you.

Figuratively speaking will do for me. For now. Do you realise though, the depth of utter hatred there is on the left for "the Project" - it's not a surprise to you is it?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

None of those mentioned stand a reasonable chance of being elected (other than by Nu Labourites). They're damaged goods.

Well, McMahon is younger than anybody posting on this thread.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well, McMahon is younger than anybody posting on this thread.

So what? Next you'll be telling me the one with the best hairstyle will be the next leader.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Figuratively speaking will do for me. For now. Do you realise though, the depth of utter hatred there is on the left for "the Project" - it's not a surprise to you is it?

No, the hard left's capacity for hatred is well known. Even the electorate has noticed it.

 

[TopCat]

Until Killer put me right, I had been under the impression that Chuka had been suspiciously (quite) loyal, or at least well behaved, towards Corbyn...thus being able to present himself as a loyal party man when the party 'needed' him to come in and sort out the chaos.

He has been a cunt.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

So what? Next you'll be telling me the one with the best hairstyle will be the next leader.

How are McMahon or Jarvis "damaged goods", even if such a thing could be said of David Miliband?

 

[kebabking]

You call that "talent"? Hilarious. Kiss your votes goodbye.

with the greatest of respect to your favourite, are their any votes left to lose?

 

[Orang Utan]

To protect the PLP against revenge deselections following a coup against the Jezbollah.

You want to purge the socialists from the Labour party? Maybe you need to leave instead and set up your own shitty third way party

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

No, the hard left's capacity for hatred is well known. Even the electorate has noticed it.

Your problem though is that the electorate now also hate the Project, Blairism, Brownism and all their wars and brown nosing the elite.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

You want to purge the socialists from the Labour party? Maybe you need to leave instead and set up your own shitty third way party

I think that hanging onto the voter base and the union cash would be more sensible, don't you?

 

[J Ed]

I didn't realise quite how much of a Messianic Cult Blairism was until Corbyn got elected but it really is, I suppose it has to be.

 

[gosub]

Quite right, and even if the Blairites were now successful in "taking back the Labour Party" (unlikely) the Greens, the SNP and Plaid are still in the field to usefully absorb the refugees. The non-labour left is not going away and will fight Blair/Brownite neoliberal shits to the death. Face it Picarda, your "project" is over. The whole left in and out of labour despise your ilk and will do everything we can to bring about your defeat and destruction.

Do you remember that Thatcher woman? Now seems an apposite time to point out that she wouldn't have got away with half the shit she did, had the left not been more interested in fighting among itself

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Your problem though is that the electorate now also hate the Project, Blairism, Brownism and all their wars and brown nosing the elite.

They don't. You do, and your mates do, and Twitter does. You are not the electorate.

 

[brogdale]

He has been a cunt.

Quite so, but that is not restricted to the period of Corbyn's leadership.

 

[TopCat]

I full of disgust thus far being a new member. I will hold my stomach though and wait for the opportunity to rid the party of the scum.

 

[nino_savatte]

with the greatest of respect to your favourite, are their any votes left to lose?

Er, what? So you're quite happy for thousands of members to leave overnight. Have I got that right?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I full of disgust thus far being a new member. I will hold my stomach though and wait for the opportunity to rid the party of the scum.

You will get bored. Your kind has no patience.

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

They don't. You do, and your mates do, and Twitter does. You are not the electorate.

The polls suggest otherwise.

 

[nino_savatte]

How are McMahon or Jarvis "damaged goods", even if such a thing could be said of David Miliband?

Oh yes, we mustn't forget that Jarvis is a former army major. Face it, you have no unifying candidates on your side. They've spent the last two months undermining the leadership.

 

[killer b]

Er, what? So you're quite happy for thousands of members to leave overnight. Have I got that right?

they don't give a shit. in fact, they don't want to share the party with them.

 

[nino_savatte]

they don't give a shit. in fact, they don't want to share the party with them.

Indeed, they're all 'Trots'. The members are only good for putting leaflets through letter boxes and putting an 'x' next to the name of some careerist tosser on the ballot paper.

 

[brogdale]

Oh yes, we mustn't forget that Jarvis is a former squaddie. Face it, you have no unifying candidates on your side. They've spent the last two months undermining the leadership.

It's quite clear that they don't care if their candidate has the ability to unify.

 

[J Ed]

they don't give a shit. in fact, they don't want to share the party with them.

Yes, if I were them I would be trying to get the new members to leave or at least not help them at all to participate which I think is what a lot of CLPs are doing.

 

[kebabking]

Er, what? So you're quite happy for thousands of members to leave overnight. Have I got that right?

i would suggest that the electoral ambitions of the Labour Party - rather than its attractiveness to members of SWSS - would be well shot of the members who believe that clowns like Corbyn are the way to get it elected...

 

[nino_savatte]

It's quite clear that they don't care if their candidate has the ability to unify.

Exactly. As long as they get someone whose policies and political position resembles that of the ancien regime.

 

[nino_savatte]

i would suggest that the electoral ambitions of the Labour Party - rather than its attractiveness to members of SWSS - would be well shot of the members who believe that clowns like Corbyn are the way to get it elected...

You really are talking a load of shite. The SWSS crack rather sums up the conceited attitude of Labour's right-wing to ordinary members. The party would return to its former hollowed out state in a heartbeat.

 

[gimesumtruf]

Doesn't two lost elections by Blairites mean anything, they didn't listen then and they still aren't listening now.

 

[J Ed]

i would suggest that the electoral ambitions of the Labour Party - rather than its attractiveness to members of SWSS - would be well shot of the members who believe that clowns like Corbyn are the way to get it elected...

You think that the 40,000+ members who have joined are members of an organisation which numbers less than a thousand?