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littlebabyjesus said:
You're also not listening to VP. Only the US, France and the UK have nukes out of NATO members, and there is no way any of them would drop a nuke to defend any fellow member. I would hope there is no way any of them would drop a nuke full stop, but the US has done so twice already, so I can't guarantee it.
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I am reading and understand but Nato is an umbrella organisation, don't tell me that countries will only use certain weapons to protect members that is rubbish.
You can't guarantee what you contend.
 
Old enough to remember the Cold War and the real, present danger that nuclear weapons were felt to be at that time. Old enough to have joined CND as a response to the madness.
 
gimesumtruf said:
I am reading and understand but Nato is an umbrella organisation, don't tell me that countries will only use certain weapons to protect members that is rubbish.
You can't guarantee what you contend.
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If what you say were true, that would be all the more reason to get rid of nuclear weapons. One fewer country able to intervene with nukes on behalf of another. Who knows what mad fucker might be in charge here in the future - we might get another Blair.
 
gimesumtruf said:
If he is anti nuclear how on earth can he belong too, and want protection from, an organisation that has them.
Corbyn would want Nato to rid itself of nuclear weapons, would it not be the height of hypocrisy for him to do otherwise.

Lack of diplomacy has a cost. I know he has already found that out from his own people.
Can't you see, at all, any trouble coming?

Corbyn will find out when back in the commons, Mr nice doesn't cut it.
What is he going to say to a reporter, when asked ( as he surely will be ) what is his stance on Nato.

VP Says: Can't you feel the air? There's too much paranoia.
So you can tell us what military problems Britain will face in the next 5 years, go on then clever DICK, tell us all.
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Suggest you read some stuff actually discussing the pros and cons of Trident.

Posted already, but here's some half-way sensible/informative stuff about it from an actual Tory

Or would you rather discuss Corbyn than his politics?
 
William of Walworth said:
Suggest you read some stuff actually discussing the pros and cons of Trident.

Posted already, but here's some half-way sensible/informative stuff about it from an actual Tory

Or would you rather discuss Corbyn than his politics?
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I'm not interested in trident.
I said Corbyn made a mess confirming he would not press the button. He should have used Diplomacy to shrug if off and stay in the position he has been in for the last 40 years.
His cabinet didn't know he was going to do it, the man is not up to the job.

If you think he has done no harm to his and Labours chances then fine I respect that, but I do.
 
belboid said:
but....he isn't. I think the Russkies have about enough info to work out that lifelong pacifist and CND member Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't press the button.
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It's dropping his party in the doo doo. Did Corbyn say to them my way or the highway, no! he said lets talk about it, but I've made my mind up so lets not talk about it.
Burham said he would resign if he left Nato, so Corbyn talked about that and backed down.
Why didn't he talk to his cabinet about Trident ?, they were in shock, are reporters more important to him?

Russia? Are you another one who knows exactly who will be an enemy?
Everyone knows where Corbyn stands but he said everything would be discussed, was that a lie?
 
Nuclear weapons. Military geniuses, tacticians. Whatever. They amount to if you kill me I will totally kill you back.
 
tim said:
I doubt that Corbyn giving a predictable answer to a predictable question would shock anyone.
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He's hardly made a secret of his views over all these years, and we know that the intent is to use a wedge strategy to split him from his core support via charges of hypocrisy, so suddenly spin-doctoring stuff everybody knows he regards as matters of principle would be a foolish move.

I'd argue that core is much more important than pandering to people who are trying to stitch him up anyway and don't actually care what he says except as potential material to smear him with (i.e. the Tories, the Blairites and their owners media)
 
gimesumtruf said:
It's dropping his party in the doo doo. Did Corbyn say to them my way or the highway, no! he said lets talk about it, but I've made my mind up so lets not talk about it.
Burham said he would resign if he left Nato, so Corbyn talked about that and backed down.
Why didn't he talk to his cabinet about Trident ?, they were in shock, are reporters more important to him?

Russia? Are you another one who knows exactly who will be an enemy?
Everyone knows where Corbyn stands but he said everything would be discussed, was that a lie?
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Really? They were shocked that someone with 4 decades of anti-nuclear weapons activism under their belt says they wouldn't authorise the use of nuclear weapons?

And you would rather he prevaricated, sidestepped and avoided the all too obvious answer to the nuclear question; that would be good politics in your book. Go and have a listen to Nicky Morgan from yesterday's PM programme; she does just what you're wanting (prevaricates, sidesteps and avoids). Perhaps you think she's being a good politician; I think she comes across as a disingenuous huckster.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Corbyn too busy to attend Privy Council meeting, same as most of the six hundred odd other Privy Councillors. Obviously he's snubbing the queen. Tory twat Alan Duncan says:

He wants to put politics before the monarchy!

No shit!

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Bahnhof Strasse said:
Corbyn too busy to attend Privy Council meeting, same as most of the six hundred odd other Privy Councillors. Obviously he's snubbing the queen. Tory twat Alan Duncan says:

He wants to put politics before the monarchy!

No shit!
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Interestingly Cameron only took up his Privy Council place three months after become Tory leader...three months! How rude; perhaps Alan Duncan should have a word?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
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