Labour leadership

[stethoscope]

Seems to be joining his fourth political party! Started out SDP, became a LD, defected to New Labour and now snuggles up with the vermin.

This is modern politics rather summed up for me.

 

[killer b]

has anyone posted this Corbyn choose your own adventure?

Can You Survive A Week As Jeremy Corbyn?

 

[Wilf]

Seems to be joining his fourth political party! Started out SDP, became a LD, defected to New Labour and now snuggles up with the vermin.

Born in 63, was an sdp councillor in 87. So, at a guess he must have joined the sdp when he was 22ish. So, what would an idealistic 22 year old do as their first step in politics? How would they put the wild dreams of youth into practice. Join the sdp. THE FUCKING SDP!!!!

 

[SpookyFrank]

After all the moaning by the Blairites about how people were being beastly to them and unfair it was to call them Red Tories, one of Blairs bessie mates, Lord Adonis, is off to work for Osbourne.

Always struck me as the least appropriately-named person of all time.

 

[discokermit]

No:- just be smart like the opposition who get rat fink Addonis to jump ship.
You fuckin clown, how many more times
Ok clown NATO has nuclear weapons. Are you telling me or anyone he is going to leave Nato because Britain will not go for that.
Will he stay in Nato and have other countries use the bomb for us. HE WILL NEVER BE ELECTED TO OFFICE.
You are annoying!

funny thing is, it's you that's annoying.
why don't you calm down a bit and try being less of a tit?

 

[ViolentPanda]

He has decided a question, I will not push the nuclear button.
First for a chance to push the button you have to be in power.
He has given away a world stage bargaining chip.
He has let a reporter get the better of him.
He could have said to use the button is a state secret and will remain so.
It'll take years to replace jobs and decommission so why show your hand?
As was said on Question Time he has ruled out talking about it with his party, no means no.
He has had 30 years to think and debate about this stuff.
Lastly he knows he's made a big mistake, this nice man will not win, I think he knows this.

How about thinking strategically for once?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I understand and I'm with him and his beliefs all the the way. You don't have to lie to hang on to principles, you can be apologies Iitician and keep answers neutral.
He had most of his party come out against him straight away(can't row back), now all he has to do is persuade the rest of the country that he wont protect them.
Follow his logic and he can't remain in Nato, good luck with that.

The parliamentary party, not the national party, are where his troubles currently lie. The views of two don't currently coincide. Given Corbyn's push for greater party democracy, it is likely that MPs will find their views moved into line with those of their constituency parties rather than the other way around.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No:- just be smart like the opposition who get rat fink Addonis to jump ship.
You fuckin clown, how many more times
Ok clown NATO has nuclear weapons. Are you telling me or anyone he is going to leave Nato because Britain will not go for that.
Will he stay in Nato and have other countries use the bomb for us. HE WILL NEVER BE ELECTED TO OFFICE.
You are annoying!

NATO doesn't have nuclear weapons, you cock. Some NATO members do.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The parliamentary party, not the national party, are where his troubles currently lie. The views of two don't currently coincide. Given Corbyn's push for greater party democracy, it is likely that MPs will find their views moved into line with those of their constituency parties rather than the other way around.

Yep, that's my take. My guess is that a concession to the warmongers by agreeing to stay in NATO will be granted in return for abandoning nukes.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

NATO doesn't have nuclear weapons, you cock. Some NATO members do.

The logic is straight out of strangelove.

Oh woe. How can we be saved? Who, oh who, will drop the bomb for us?

 

[Knotted]

No:- just be smart like the opposition who get rat fink Addonis to jump ship.
You fuckin clown, how many more times
Ok clown NATO has nuclear weapons. Are you telling me or anyone he is going to leave Nato because Britain will not go for that.
Will he stay in Nato and have other countries use the bomb for us. HE WILL NEVER BE ELECTED TO OFFICE.
You are annoying!

Congratulations you make less sense than Diamond. There should be a medal for that.

 

[phildwyer]

Spin doctors are partly what got Labour in trouble in the first place.

Them and focus groups.

 

[gimesumtruf]

How about thinking strategically for once?

You mean by alienating and compromising the majority of his cabinet.
Strategically, after 30odd years of thought, would be, how to brush off a reporter looking for a yes or no answer.
Strategy would be to give your colleagues a hearing.
Strategy would be to keep Trident until you are in power.

Can he tell the country what will happen militarily in the future and who will be our allies going forward?

We are open to blockade

 

[gimesumtruf]

NATO doesn't have nuclear weapons, you cock. Some NATO members do.

This is such a stupid comment it doesn't warrant a answer. I've watched and admired your posts, but this

 

[Louis MacNeice]

You mean by alienating and compromising the majority of his cabinet.
Strategically, after 30odd years of thought, would be, how to brush off a reporter looking for a yes or no answer.
Strategy would be to give your colleagues a hearing.
Strategy would be to keep Trident until you are in power.

Can he tell the country what will happen militarily in the future and who will be our allies going forward?

We are open to blockade

You'd have been delighted with Cameron's performance on Radio4 this morning; tax credit robbery, destruction of Libya...apparently not the right questions...only they are for those facing have their already low incomes reduced, or their country 'run' by warring militias.

Of course you're right, the ability to brush off a reporter is just what is needed.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Just been watching Cameron get interviewed on Sky. The contrast between the way they treat hamcock and the way they treated Corbyn during the Labour conference is unbelievable.

 

[brogdale]

Just been watching Cameron get interviewed on Sky. The contrast between the way they treat hamcock and the way they treated Corbyn during the Labour conference is unbelievable.

It's almost as though they're biased.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You mean by alienating and compromising the majority of his cabinet.
Strategically, after 30odd years of thought, would be, how to brush off a reporter looking for a yes or no answer.
Strategy would be to give your colleagues a hearing.
Strategy would be to keep Trident until you are in power.

Can he tell the country what will happen militarily in the future and who will be our allies going forward?

We are open to blockade

Can't you feel the air? There's too much paranoia.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is such a stupid comment it doesn't warrant a answer. I've watched and admired your posts, but this

You're a dick. NATO as a body has no control over the nuclear weapons of member states. Only those member states have control, and they can only deploy them on their own behalf, not on NATO's behalf. This isn't like deploying fighter planes or drones.

 

[gosub]

You're a dick. NATO as a body has no control over the nuclear weapons of member states. Only those member states have control, and they can only deploy them on their own behalf, not on NATO's behalf. This isn't like deploying fighter planes or drones.

Hmmm If a NATO member got nuked, they be screaming "ARTICLE 5" down the phone to Shape. As you say, the other members would take a view

 

[J Ed]

Wouldn't see Brown or Balls doing this

 

[tim]

Seems to be joining his fourth political party! Started out SDP, became a LD, defected to New Labour and now snuggles up with the vermin.

Adonis is our greatest trainspotter, he'll snuggle up to anyone who'll let him play with the nation's choo-choos

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Wouldn't see Brown or Balls doing this

i'm trying to remember the last time any labour front bencher did or said anything in support of any striking workers other than some flannel about management ought to sit down and talk to them.

any ideas?

 

[William of Walworth]

either way, your need to swing every topic round to beer is a tiresome habit

Got your subtle point.

I actually agree with you about beer not being the be-all and end-all as it goes. Genuinely.

But do take some notice as well, of other, beer-unrelated, topics I contibute on, please

(just objecting to 'every', there)

It really is, you know. We get that good beer is nice, but not everything boils down to a man only being worthwhile if he likes the same drink that you like.

Drink what you want. I'm not dictating.

Nor did I claim he was worthwhile politically, Mr Selective -- never stated I'd ever vote for him.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

i'm trying to remember the last time any labour front bencher did or said anything in support of any striking workers other than some flannel about management ought to sit down and talk to them.

any ideas?

 

[William of Walworth]

[Re Andrew Adonis]

Born in 63, was an sdp councillor in 87. So, at a guess he must have joined the sdp when he was 22ish. So, what would an idealistic 22 year old do as their first step in politics? How would they put the wild dreams of youth into practice. Join the sdp. THE FUCKING SDP!!!!

He's a year, or a bit less, younger than me. Definitely older though really.

 

[tim]

Wouldn't see Brown or Balls doing this

This brave Comrade, however, was willing to take on the capitalists

 

[gimesumtruf]

You're a dick. NATO as a body has no control over the nuclear weapons of member states. Only those member states have control, and they can only deploy them on their own behalf, not on NATO's behalf. This isn't like deploying fighter planes or drones.

If he is anti nuclear how on earth can he belong too, and want protection from, an organisation that has them.
Corbyn would want Nato to rid itself of nuclear weapons, would it not be the height of hypocrisy for him to do otherwise.

Lack of diplomacy has a cost. I know he has already found that out from his own people.
Can't you see, at all, any trouble coming?

Corbyn will find out when back in the commons, Mr nice doesn't cut it.
What is he going to say to a reporter, when asked ( as he surely will be ) what is his stance on Nato.

VP Says: Can't you feel the air? There's too much paranoia.
So you can tell us what military problems Britain will face in the next 5 years, go on then clever DICK, tell us all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're quite mad.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're also not listening to VP. Only the US, France and the UK have nukes out of NATO members, and there is no way any of them would drop a nuke to defend any fellow member. I would hope there is no way any of them would drop a nuke full stop, but the US has done so twice already, so I can't guarantee it.