Labour leadership
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gosub
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think it was more the "its your own time your wasting" schoolteacher glower he gave.
It was Cameron#s response "we want to see starter homes in London at 150k"... the bankers and those the banks have sold 400k+ mortgages to ain't going to like that
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
a handy little list...
I hadn't realied quite how stupid the rules were, they are completely unimplementable - "the rules only propose the budget should be in overall surplus by 2019 after nine years of continuous economic growth" - yeah, right, that'll happen.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i wasn't - infact i was surprised it was so big - the tories would have got more Labour MP's votes/abstentions if they hadn't made any overt play for such votes/abstentions. by making such an overt play they shot themselves in the foot: there's plenty of Labour MP's who think Corbyn/McDonnell are a pair student politics clowns and who believe that not signing up to this utterly see-through nothingness is political idiocy, but who weren't prepared to undertake a rebelion at the behest of the tories.
thats the critical bit, Labour MP's in much bigger numbers will rebel against the new (dis?)order, but they'll do so much more willingly if the tories stop trying to goad them into doing so.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Which is more idiotic:
- Signing up to 'utterly see through nothingness'?
- Not signing up to 'utterly see through nothingness'?
- Proposing the 'utterly see through nothingness' in the first place?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
well, doing both 1 and 2 in the space of a fortnight seems to be quite a good way of gathering as many idiot points as possible...
Long Ball Game
New Member
Corbyn/McDonnell are learning and it is a big curve they are on. In 4 years no one will remember anything they might do wrong now nor any rebellions they incur now, it will all be about how they are perceived at that time.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not really. 2. was the undoing of 1., which was the idiocy. Unfortunately it does show that McDonnell hasn't thought this stuff through before now. He really should have had his answer right there as soon as the idea was brought up, but it appears some kind of understanding of how economies work isn't a prerequisite for either the job of chancellor or shadow chancellor.
But McD gets some credit for correcting his mistake.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Do you have evidence of this?
It's an even more serious error if so, but I don't believe it without evidence. It takes only basic reading comprehension to understand what the charter entails.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
most news reports have mentioned it. He agreed when he thought that it was current account only, and would still allow extra borrowing for investment. It doesn't
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
Voters may not remember every detail but current mistakes and rebellions are probably shaping how Corbyn and the party will be perceived in 2020.
That's if he makes it to 2020, which I very much doubt.
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gosub
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It does give an outlier as to who the usual suspects will be though. But I agree, bigger deal will be the Tories non delivery of150k starter homes in London
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
no, not really - Labour need to win seats in the shires and the midlands to get elected, no one in the shires gives a fuck about starter homes in London. London already votes Labour, so even if the Tories completely screw it up Labour might gain, at most, a handful of seats.
in the places where Labour needs to win - rather than where the Corbyn supporters are - the issues that decide the 2020 election are going to be percieved economic competance, general political/governmental competance, defence/overseas policy and immigration.
gosub
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Not saying it'll be the main issue, but barring Mr Osbourne not reaching his self imposed economic target (possible), of all the things that happened yesterday, in four years time "where is this affordable, affordable-housing?" will be the most pertinent.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
oh, don't get me wrong, housing is a big issue in the twilight land that apparently exists outside of the M25, and the problems of availability can placed squarely at the governments doorstep. if however Osbourne can keep what passes for a recovery going then commercial house building might mitigate that to some extent, and one of the potential bananas in the road to yet another tory government in 2020 might be swerved around.
in terms of the pure politics of yesterday, certainly the election is 5 years away, and if a week is a long time in politics then 5 years is an unimaginable span - i think that there will be a bit of leeway given because its all new, but i think it will effect the mood music, people will be less understanding at the next fuck-up, there will be more rolling of the eyes from Labour MP's. that has a corrosive effect.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
he can't, and it wont. They're already talking about the possibility of another crash in the next couple of years.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Yes - but one of the consequences of the London housing crisis is that it is those shires, and especially the Midlands, that are going to see most of the impact of there being nowhere near enough social housing in London.
As for perceived economic competence, Gordon Brown showed how much that was worth in 2010 - and he could at least claim that he didn't see the collapse coming. When the next crash happens, if it happens on Osbornes's watch he (and they) are going to get slaughtered because they have done the absolutely nothing to fix the problems / scams that the last crash exposed, never mind try to prevent the next one.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
have to say i'm a bit disappointed that Corbyn has claimed that he has transformed Prime Minister's Question Time into People's Question Time. I watched it for the first time in forever today and it's a fucking circus. The arcane parliamentary protocol encourages this by making them talk to someone else when they should be talking to each other and it just ends up sounding like a playground spat
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
TBH - nobody outside the westminster bubble gives a flying about PMQs/hamcock's half hour.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
What about BBC QT? The tweets commenting on it seem bad enough
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
List of twats, plenty of the usual suspects
Fiona Mactaggart, Rushanara Ali, Ian Austin, Ben Bradshaw, Adrian Bailey, Shabana Mahmood, Ann Coffey, Angela Smith, Simon Danczuk, Jamie Reed, Chris Evans, Graham Stringer, Frank Field, Gisela Stuart, Mike Gapes, Margaret Hodge, Tristram Hunt, Graham Jones, Helen Jones, Liz Kendall, Chris Leslie.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Lots of people seem to watch it
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
He does but it would have taken most people 10 minutes to arrive at the statement 'we will make no further comment until we have studied the proposals in detail', or even to propose abstaining.
Failing that he could have asked the Blairited what to do and then simply proposed the opposite.
Or he could have taken the piss that the Govt was proposing a measure that no business would dream of. Was the Govt proposing that next time the banks should fail?
Will blow over though.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Yep, another circus sideshow.
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