Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Irony being, if the Labour Party genuinely could carry what their "traditional base" is supposed to be they'd win every election as a landslide, regardless of the urban middle classes.
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I appreciate that, but how would Mandelson's endorsement make anyone think Umunna was gay?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Because some people unfortunately believe in that old chestnut "The Gay Mafia". The whole conspiracy theory schtick has been popular for decades with the more "out there" evangelical churches (as DotCommunist can probably confirm), and Chuckles's constituency has more than it's fair share of "out there" evangelical churches.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yup, but they're not interested in struggle, or in class, only in power. Today, not tomorrow! Foot may have been a reformist coot, but he at least understood the need to build and maintain a core movement. Kinnock lost sight of that the moment he expelled Militant, which put any dissenting activists in the party on notice that Kinnock was going to purge anyone who who didn't fit to his vision of Labour.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
that rests on the assumption that the working class will vote primarily in their own interest (accurately) and that one party can secure the bulk of the working class vote. surely many will be prepared to vote against their own self interest on e.g. social security if they think that it broadly creates more fairness (screwing foreigners). what all the small 'c' conservatives in the working class?
though obviously i completely agree with your last sentence.
Is there much public consciousness about Mandelson's sexuality? It'd do fuck all either way. Seems a bit off to be helping to circulate these rumours anyway - I'd never heard of them up til now.
Derek Hatton:
"a former politician, broadcaster, property developer, businessman".
There's as much to have a pop at there as Chuka, but anyway, long time ago.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Did you sleep through the noughties?
Mandelson's sexuality/speculation about his sexuality was a staple of the right-wing press. All the little bits of bitchiness about his young Brazilian "companion"; the sniggering hints about who he was on Oleg Deripaska's yacht with; the sneering about his young political advisors like Benny Wegg-Prosser.
I've heard a fair bit of speculation about Chuckles' sexuality, and I don't get out much!
And why would you have heard them? You leave in Preston, not Streatham!
He's a crap local MP, more to the point, he's the local MP and has refused to act like one, several times. Furthermore, he ran a smear campaign about the Greens allegedly running a smear campaign against him. He's hardly somebody who deserves defending. I don't give a toss about his sexuality, but if he thinks image counts, (and he continues to behave as he has until now) I'll use every fucking thing I can lay my hands on and then some.
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He's my brother's MP.
You'll use homophobic smears against him? What?I don't give a toss about his sexuality, but if he thinks image counts, (and he continues to behave as he has until now) I'll use every fucking thing I can lay my hands on and then some.
I live in that constituency too and he's refused to outright to do anything to stop the regeneration threat, or to ensure that the consultation was at least fair. He's slick and plays to the BME Christian vote. Go and preach elsewhere mate.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
How is rumours he is gay gonna damage him? The worlds first black gay labour PM? People would lap it up. And the idea of using someones (alleged) sexuality against them is disgraceful tbh. It not gonna make people using such tactics look.anything other than homophobic loons.
Froggie I'm not looking for a fight about this,these rumours have been floating around (locally) since forever and he's big on image. Want me to lie and say that he's squeaky clean and a saint instead? He capitalises on the vote of homophobic people FFS!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So you have in-depth conversations with your bro about his MP?
Not unless the pair of you are utter political spods.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah but Im not looking for a fight, just stating my opinion. using gay rumours about someone is a cunts trick. Whats wrong with being gay, by speading rumours he is your making it into an issue that should be made an issue of, your stigmatising homosexuality. Find something else to get him on. There must be something. His Blairism, his past political record. his love of gentrification and wealth creators. Hes been an MP for ages there must be loads of stuff. Aside from anything consider how it makes you look.
Black labour forerunner subjected to homophobic smear campaign by loony-left constituents
Black labour forerunner subjected to homophobic smear campaign by loony-left constituents
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're missing the point, which is that his standing in his constituency and the size of his vote would suffer from such rumours. It's bad enough that back when he was selected in 2008/09 some churchy CLP members abstained because of rumours about him being gay. Extrapolate that to a consituency with, as I've said, more than its' share of evangelical Christians, and being "blessed" by Mandelson doesn't look like such a gift after all.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not about whether he's gay. it's about how, in a political world where presentation is king, things can look like or be made to look like. He's a single sermon away from some disgruntled pastor stirring the pot, and if that happens it gives ammo to the right-wing press, just like it did with Mandelson himself.
If you love him so much, live here with him as a fucking useless careerist MP.
Then, and only then can you lecture me, missy!
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
I've heard he has some black ancestry. Why not plug that one to capitalise on the racist vote?
Because there aren't enough racists of the type who'd have it in for him, whose vote he's courted?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Who's spreading smears? If you read my original post, you'll notice that I'm expressing worry about a possibility.
If that's a "smear" to you, then go polish your knob.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Its like when people call thatcher a bitch with a shrivelled up vagina or whatever, totally counter productive, how do young women that dont remember the thatcher years look at shit like that. im bisexual and nearly killed myself over being outed among people due to my sexuality. There is loads of actual things he has done you can get him on, gentrification, wealth creators, love of right wing christian homophobes etc etc, all of which without reference to his sexuality. Do you want to say i bet he hasnt got a correct birth certificate and therefore right to be PM as well (hint hint)? Spreading rumours someone is gay or making an issue of their sexuality to gain political capital is a cunts trick ive got no respect for people who do it.
hes a blairite wanker, and a shit MP so get him on that.
hes a blairite wanker, and a shit MP so get him on that.
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