Labour leadership

[Greebo]

Mandelson blessed Umunna. Is this very good or very bad?

Both are/have been people who'd make Machiavelli proud.

 

[quiquaquo]

Mandelson blessed Umunna. Is this very good or very bad?

Hopefully it's the kiss of death for Chuka. Was my MP, as Greebo mentions he couldn't give a shit if there's nothing in it for him, his wallet and his ego.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hunt thinks Labour need to target aspirational voters who shop at John Lewis and Waitrose

What a surprise. Another public schoolboy who also wants Labour to focus on the middle classes

Is there even a least worst option at this point?

 

[Belushi]

Hopefully it's the kiss of death for Chuka. Was my MP, as Greebo mentions he couldn't give a shit if there's nothing in it for him, his wallet and his ego.

Yes, was my MP too and Greebo's description of him is spot on.

 

[DownwardDog]

What a surprise. Another public schoolboy who also wants Labour to focus on the middle classes

Is there even a least worst option at this point?

The one who's married to the teacher out of The Inbetweeners would at least give us a laugh if she wins, becomes PM and then Mr. Gilbert has to greet foreign dignitaries.

 

[kebabking]

The one who's married to the teacher out of The Inbetweeners would at least give us a laugh if she wins, becomes PM and then Mr. Gilbert has to greet foreign dignitaries.

that would be spectacular comedy gold.

'the Prime Ministers Husband, Mr Davies, meeting a Frenchist at a reception at No 10 earlier today...'

 

[DotCommunist]

^^^ that bloke is freakishly big. Like a giant. Thats why he worked in inbetweeners, he made some slitghtly-north-of-GCSE age lads look like the age they wereplaying with his largness.

 

[YouSir]

^^^ that bloke is freakishly big. Like a giant. Thats why he worked in inbetweeners, he made some slitghtly-north-of-GCSE age lads look like the age they wereplaying with his largness.

Looks like a giant Rik May all too, could see him pulling a Flashman on Putin. Woof woof.

 

[DownwardDog]

The same bloke who told me about Mr. Gilbert (at a Conservatives Abroad lunch at the weekend) also told me Chuku Umunna is one of the singers on the Mr. Bean theme tune but I'm putting that one down to wikipedia vandalism.

 

[belboid]

The same bloke who told me about Mr. Gilbert (at a Conservatives Abroad lunch at the weekend) also told me Chuku Umunna is one of the singers on the Mr. Bean theme tune but I'm putting that one down to wikipedia vandalism.

probably based on a C4 interview: "On a more personal note, the shadow business secretary revealed that he was a chorister at Southwark Cathedral - "I sang the Mr Bean theme tune""

http://www.channel4.com/news/chuka-umunna-im-fed-up-with-being-in-the-shadows

Quite why he did so in such a venue is left unexplained

 

[tbtommyb]

Hunt thinks Labour need to target aspirational voters who shop at John Lewis and Waitrose

Waitrose has 5% market share

 

[Barking_Mad]

From CiF:

So, in sum thus far:

Labour lost the election because they were too much like the Tories, and because they were not enough like them. The problem with Ed Miliband was that he was too much of a socialist; and also that he was too much of a Tory.

The best way for Labour to win an election is to chase votes from Conservatives, who will never vote for them; thereby disregarding the majority of the electorate, who will not vote for them if they appeal to Conservatives.

The minority of Labour party members who thought David Miliband should be party leader were more representative of Labour party membership than the majority of Labour party members who voted for Ed Miliband. And if only they had voted for David, that would have stopped all the boring broken-record bleating about supposed fraternal treachery.

Tory policies are inevitable, and Labour must adopt these; while rejecting them, and refusing to have anything to do with them.

The only way for a Left-wing party to win an election is to become a right-wing party; and it must become more progressive, and more conservative.

The best way to offer the electorate an alternative to the Conservative party is to become indistinguishable from them.

It's impossible to campaign successfully on a centre-left basis; which is why Labour lost seats in Scotland to the SNP, who campaigned on a centre-left basis.

Labour must also adopt the policies of Ukip - because Ukip successfully lost one of its two MPs; while triumphantly failing to make any gains.

What's more, the only party who can win election after election are the Tories - who have just won a slender majority for the first time in 23 years.

Joined-up thinking: 2015.

 

[gosub]

Waitrose has 5% market share

there are currently 6 Waitrose stores in Scotland, one of which is in Edinburgh South

 

[Belushi]

there are currently 6 Waitrose stores in Scotland, one of which is in Edinburgh South

Doesn't appear to be one in Hunt's constituency of Stoke on Trent either..

 

[Belushi]

Apparently Lammy has now ruled himself out for standing for the leadership.

 

[skyscraper101]

Tom Watson going for deputy leadership.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...funding-site-his-deputy-labour-leadership-bid

http://www.gofundme.com/tom_for_deputy

 

[treelover]

^^^ that bloke is freakishly big. Like a giant. Thats why he worked in inbetweeners, he made some slitghtly-north-of-GCSE age lads look like the age they wereplaying with his largness.

Tallist...

 

[DotCommunist]

Tallist...

he did a great routine about visiting thailand once and having strangers in the street come to be photoed with the foriegn giant but he is large. I bet his dinner plate has to be much more filled up than mine

 

[treelover]

Tom Watson going for deputy leadership.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...funding-site-his-deputy-labour-leadership-bid

http://www.gofundme.com/tom_for_deputy

I would consider him, he would really go for the Tories, not sure about his position on benefit cuts, etc.

 

[skyscraper101]

Umunna and Watson are probably the best Labour have to offer against the Tories if they're serious about getting into govt IMO.

 

[maomao]

he did a great routine about visiting thailand once and having strangers in the street come to be photoed with the foriegn giant

I'm 6'7" and that used to happen to me regularly in China outside of the big cities.

 

[treelover]

Guardian reporting 60,000 new members joined labour, 60% under 35.

but this happened last time, enthusiasm soon waned.

 

[pinkychukkles]

Guardian reporting 60,000 new members joined labour, 60% under 35.

Tomorrow's careerist politicians joining up to take advantage of the increased 'opportunity' further up slimy ladder

 

[treelover]

Not necessarily, but they will get disillusioned.

 

[cantsin]

What a surprise. Another public schoolboy who also wants Labour to focus on the middle classes

Is there even a least worst option at this point?

does any know of any precedent re: Labour leaders who send their kids to private schools ( as Hunt looks determined to do ), ie : could there be a credible Lab leader with kids in private education (which not even Blair had the front to do ) or are we beyond anyone giving a fuck ?

 

[SpookyFrank]

does any know of any precedent re: Labour leaders who send their kids to private schools ( as Hunt looks determined to do ), ie : could there be a credible Lab leader with kids in private education (which not even Blair had the front to do ) or are we beyond anyone giving a fuck ?

Labour seem to have decided that the working class is irrelevant so I guess we're probably beyond giving a fuck. It's all about aspirational people now, and aspirational people all aspire to sending their kids to private school. In fact, given that they are an imaginary demographic, they can aspire to whatever it may be convenient for them to aspire to. Maybe they aspire to racial purity and world domination, and if they do who are we to argue? We who are so bereft of aspiration, so content to wallow in our own self-inflicted purgatory, so unworthy of a helping hand to drag us from the muck.

 

[billy_bob]

Mandelson blessed Umunna. Is this very good or very bad?

It's a bit like being covered in cowshit, but proudly carrying a banner declaring that it came from the biggest, smelliest cow alive.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Tbh labour deserved to lose and maybe now we can get on with something different.

you (and anyone else) won't though.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Hopefully it's the kiss of death for Chuka. Was my MP, as Greebo mentions he couldn't give a shit if there's nothing in it for him, his wallet and his ego.

He was my sister's MP and she says he was an excellent constituency MP. She got quite miffed when I said i thought he was a twat and had an inflated sense of his own abilities

 

[Lo Siento.]

The Blairites who say they need another Blairite to win the next election are probably right at this point, but only because they've essentially salted the Earth for any other kind of winning Labour Party.