Jarvis could get Usdaw and Community I would imagine...
But where are your ideas marter?This is going nowhere. I've given my opinions and if people don't like them then that's their option.
Umunna has already set out his stall I see. Labour need to focus on 'aspirational' people and stop worrying about the poor. Because the poor don't have aspirations apparently. Mandelson and Blair have chimed in with much the same bullshit.
It's clear where the wind is blowing. No more talk of taking action, even half-arsed window dressing type action, on extortionate rents or zero hour contracts; no more talk of progressive taxation. Only a mad communist would even consider such things. No, Labour needs policies like mumble mumble aspiration mumble mumble pro-business and pro-worker at the same time somehow mumble mumble which definitely won't be exactly the same as tory policies.
It's clearer than ever now why Miliband lost so badly. His entire party has only one idea, to move inexorably rightwards. The working class vote can be taken as a given, all that matters is to steal votes from the tories by imitating them as closely as copyright laws will allow. Miliband didn't lose because he had a handful of vaguely progressive policies but because he didn't have enough, those he had were all half-measures and he didn't mention most of them until a few weeks before the election.
This is going nowhere. I've given my opinions and if people don't like them then that's their option.
Not the worst thing in the world if Labour are noticeably active in opposition, instead of being as passive as they've been for most of the last five years.Well, then give up. Tory government forever.
You can't be of significance to anyone if you're sat on the opposition benches.
No bald man ever got elected PM.
(I think that's right but I can't be bothered to check.)
. Stop thinking about ideology and start thinking about how to win.
I see Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out, which I'm glad of as his main qualification appears to have been that he used to be a para
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-rules-self-out-of-labour-leadership-contest
what will be the chief differences between what Umunna will advocate and what the Tories advocate, do you think?Umunna seems like a solid, intelligent man with a firm conviction to not alienating Labour's core middle-class votes. If Burnham, another trot like Ed, gets the leadership then the party will be in the swamp for a lot longer than 2020.
There won't be any, and that's why he will be successful. Those who vote Tory in their class interest but feel guilty for their historical association, like me, will be able to make a rational decision and vote for Umunna.what will be the chief differences between what Umunna will advocate and what the Tories advocate, do you think?
It's a troll.
I just read that as he's a bit thick.Parents sent him to private schooling, though, because the state schools "were failing him".
Umunna seems like a solid, intelligent man with a firm conviction to not alienating Labour's core middle-class votes. If Burnham, another trot like Ed, gets the leadership then the party will be in the swamp for a lot longer than 2020.
Liked because it's risible that Labour's core votes should be middle-class. As things stand at the moment, they probably are, and that's Labour's fault, for leaving their original core a long way behind.
Years of training and experience have enabled me to pick up the subtlest of tiny internet signs, the little slips that people make that give away their intentions.However did you spot that?
as the late great Bill Hicks saidWhich brings us back to the point that a choice between 2 neo liberal parties every 5 years is neither a choice or democracy . It's a fucking racket .
I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'
Liked because it's risible that Labour's core votes should be middle-class. As things stand at the moment, they probably are, and that's Labour's fault, for leaving their original core a long way behind.
I concur - that's how he comes across as a local MP - a well groomed personable careerist chancer. He'll see you right if you could boost him to the next stage, but otherwise forget it.<snip> Chuka Unamma strikes me as a shiny man in a suit who would be equally at home in New Labour or New Tories, and only went Labour because thats where the jobs were. no passion, no 'big plan', just a sticking plaster manager. <snip>
about 647 of the fuckers, only d. skinner, jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell not on the shitlist.