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Put Laurie Penny in charge of a twittersectionalista campaigning department to keep everyone tied up in circular logic twitter storms
 
Umunna has already set out his stall I see. Labour need to focus on 'aspirational' people and stop worrying about the poor. Because the poor don't have aspirations apparently. Mandelson and Blair have chimed in with much the same bullshit.

It's clear where the wind is blowing. No more talk of taking action, even half-arsed window dressing type action, on extortionate rents or zero hour contracts; no more talk of progressive taxation. Only a mad communist would even consider such things. No, Labour needs policies like mumble mumble aspiration mumble mumble pro-business and pro-worker at the same time somehow mumble mumble which definitely won't be exactly the same as tory policies.

It's clearer than ever now why Miliband lost so badly. His entire party has only one idea, to move inexorably rightwards. The working class vote can be taken as a given, all that matters is to steal votes from the tories by imitating them as closely as copyright laws will allow. Miliband didn't lose because he had a handful of vaguely progressive policies but because he didn't have enough, those he had were all half-measures and he didn't mention most of them until a few weeks before the election.

I'm going to collect some of Chuka's fatuous gassings, then post them to him along with a demographic breakdown of the Labour vote in his constituency, asking him if he'd like to publicly cunt off a significant minority of his electorate a bit more by stopping worrying about them.
The man is a fucking idiot. Thinks he's a man of the people because he grew up in Streatham. Parents sent him to private schooling, though, because the state schools "were failing him". How many times have we heard that one?
 
This is going nowhere. I've given my opinions and if people don't like them then that's their option.

Your opinions (make sure they're they're not a slaphead; style over substance) are vapid and fatuous.
You probably also believe that "only losers take the bus".
 
No bald man ever got elected PM.

(I think that's right but I can't be bothered to check.)

Spencer Perceval. Although I remember from O-level history that he was completely mental and spent his time scouring the old testament to concoct biblical prophecies involving Napoleon and predicting that the world would end in 1926.
 
. Stop thinking about ideology and start thinking about how to win.

The problem with new labour is they haven't stopped thinking about ideology, they adopted thatchers neo liberal ideology and have insisted ever since that's how you win . Except they don't like to call it ideology , they refer to it as thins like..".the middle ground ", and "the market ". And because of that rupert Murdoch et al liked them . They got in and the electorate got Thatcherism forever . Now they think it's normal...that there's no alternative to it .

Which brings us back to the point that a choice between 2 neo liberal parties every 5 years is neither a choice or democracy . It's a fucking racket .
 
Please not Burnham. He's just another inarticulate parliament bot like Miliband. He's a weak speaker who couldn't even sound sincere when speaking to Liverpool fans about Hillsborough. He's closely aligned to Brown and personally presided (with Alan Johnson) over the Stafford Hospital scandal. If he gets in, it'll be the last five years all over again. For my money only Umunna can get back some serious ground lost to the Tories. Whether or not any Labour government will get back a significant part of Scotland remains to be seen, right now it looks bleak.
 
Umunna seems like a solid, intelligent man with a firm conviction to not alienating Labour's core middle-class votes. If Burnham, another trot like Ed, gets the leadership then the party will be in the swamp for a lot longer than 2020.
 
Umunna seems like a solid, intelligent man with a firm conviction to not alienating Labour's core middle-class votes. If Burnham, another trot like Ed, gets the leadership then the party will be in the swamp for a lot longer than 2020.
what will be the chief differences between what Umunna will advocate and what the Tories advocate, do you think?
 
what will be the chief differences between what Umunna will advocate and what the Tories advocate, do you think?
There won't be any, and that's why he will be successful. Those who vote Tory in their class interest but feel guilty for their historical association, like me, will be able to make a rational decision and vote for Umunna.
 
Which brings us back to the point that a choice between 2 neo liberal parties every 5 years is neither a choice or democracy . It's a fucking racket .
as the late great Bill Hicks said
I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'
 
if Labour elect Burnham they can just avoid bothering with the campaign next time, take a months holiday and get the same result - Burnham, for his apparent sincerity over the NHS, was up to his neck in the structural failures in the NHS that lead to Stafford, the scandal over whistleblowers, and PFI which everyone will rake up every. single. time. the letters NHS pass his lips, and as has been seen repeatedly, he's not exactly Mr Detail when it comes to policy.

Labour need to break with the Blair-Brown-Miliband years, electing Burnham is the exact opposite of that - and putting him in a Jimmy Savile suit. its utterly, spectacularly self-defeating.

Chuka Unamma strikes me as a shiny man in a suit who would be equally at home in New Labour or New Tories, and only went Labour because thats where the jobs were. no passion, no 'big plan', just a sticking plaster manager.

its a pity that Jarvis has ruled himself out - he can at least connect with people, whether thats 'traditional Labour voters or reluctant tories. with him there'd no snearing about latte-drinking cosmopolitan types with no connection with the world outside of north London.

(and yes, i know him).
 
<snip> Chuka Unamma strikes me as a shiny man in a suit who would be equally at home in New Labour or New Tories, and only went Labour because thats where the jobs were. no passion, no 'big plan', just a sticking plaster manager. <snip>
I concur - that's how he comes across as a local MP - a well groomed personable careerist chancer. He'll see you right if you could boost him to the next stage, but otherwise forget it.
 
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