Labour leadership
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I know Jarvis isn't running, probably got a phone call from his former CO, but all the Usdaw stewards where I work voted TUSC, cos they think labour are a waste of time.
I had the call from Unite today too!
But where are your ideas marter?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm going to collect some of Chuka's fatuous gassings, then post them to him along with a demographic breakdown of the Labour vote in his constituency, asking him if he'd like to publicly cunt off a significant minority of his electorate a bit more by stopping worrying about them.
The man is a fucking idiot. Thinks he's a man of the people because he grew up in Streatham. Parents sent him to private schooling, though, because the state schools "were failing him". How many times have we heard that one?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Your opinions (make sure they're they're not a slaphead; style over substance) are vapid and fatuous.
You probably also believe that "only losers take the bus".
Not the worst thing in the world if Labour are noticeably active in opposition, instead of being as passive as they've been for most of the last five years.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Why not just cross over to the other side then ? You'll be in power then .
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Spencer Perceval. Although I remember from O-level history that he was completely mental and spent his time scouring the old testament to concoct biblical prophecies involving Napoleon and predicting that the world would end in 1926.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
The problem with new labour is they haven't stopped thinking about ideology, they adopted thatchers neo liberal ideology and have insisted ever since that's how you win . Except they don't like to call it ideology , they refer to it as thins like..".the middle ground ", and "the market ". And because of that rupert Murdoch et al liked them . They got in and the electorate got Thatcherism forever . Now they think it's normal...that there's no alternative to it .
Which brings us back to the point that a choice between 2 neo liberal parties every 5 years is neither a choice or democracy . It's a fucking racket .
I see Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out, which I'm glad of as his main qualification appears to have been that he used to be a para 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-rules-self-out-of-labour-leadership-contest
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-rules-self-out-of-labour-leadership-contest
I see Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out, which I'm glad of as his main qualification appears to have been that he used to be a para
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-rules-self-out-of-labour-leadership-contest
He's had a proper job and comes across as a fairly normal person, I agree they're not much but compared to most of the current lot of politicians. If he's out then I would have to say Burnham's chances increase substantially.
skyscraper101
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Please not Burnham. He's just another inarticulate parliament bot like Miliband. He's a weak speaker who couldn't even sound sincere when speaking to Liverpool fans about Hillsborough. He's closely aligned to Brown and personally presided (with Alan Johnson) over the Stafford Hospital scandal. If he gets in, it'll be the last five years all over again. For my money only Umunna can get back some serious ground lost to the Tories. Whether or not any Labour government will get back a significant part of Scotland remains to be seen, right now it looks bleak.
Umunna seems like a solid, intelligent man with a firm conviction to not alienating Labour's core middle-class votes. If Burnham, another trot like Ed, gets the leadership then the party will be in the swamp for a lot longer than 2020.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
what will be the chief differences between what Umunna will advocate and what the Tories advocate, do you think?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's a troll.
There won't be any, and that's why he will be successful. Those who vote Tory in their class interest but feel guilty for their historical association, like me, will be able to make a rational decision and vote for Umunna.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I just read that as he's a bit thick.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Liked because it's risible that Labour's core votes should be middle-class. As things stand at the moment, they probably are, and that's Labour's fault, for leaving their original core a long way behind.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Years of training and experience have enabled me to pick up the subtlest of tiny internet signs, the little slips that people make that give away their intentions.However did you spot that?
pinkychukkles
Feed Your Head
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Tbh labour deserved to lose and maybe now we can get on with something different.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if Labour elect Burnham they can just avoid bothering with the campaign next time, take a months holiday and get the same result - Burnham, for his apparent sincerity over the NHS, was up to his neck in the structural failures in the NHS that lead to Stafford, the scandal over whistleblowers, and PFI which everyone will rake up every. single. time. the letters NHS pass his lips, and as has been seen repeatedly, he's not exactly Mr Detail when it comes to policy.
Labour need to break with the Blair-Brown-Miliband years, electing Burnham is the exact opposite of that - and putting him in a Jimmy Savile suit. its utterly, spectacularly self-defeating.
Chuka Unamma strikes me as a shiny man in a suit who would be equally at home in New Labour or New Tories, and only went Labour because thats where the jobs were. no passion, no 'big plan', just a sticking plaster manager.
its a pity that Jarvis has ruled himself out - he can at least connect with people, whether thats 'traditional Labour voters or reluctant tories. with him there'd no snearing about latte-drinking cosmopolitan types with no connection with the world outside of north London.
(and yes, i know him).
Labour need to break with the Blair-Brown-Miliband years, electing Burnham is the exact opposite of that - and putting him in a Jimmy Savile suit. its utterly, spectacularly self-defeating.
Chuka Unamma strikes me as a shiny man in a suit who would be equally at home in New Labour or New Tories, and only went Labour because thats where the jobs were. no passion, no 'big plan', just a sticking plaster manager.
its a pity that Jarvis has ruled himself out - he can at least connect with people, whether thats 'traditional Labour voters or reluctant tories. with him there'd no snearing about latte-drinking cosmopolitan types with no connection with the world outside of north London.
(and yes, i know him).
I concur - that's how he comes across as a local MP - a well groomed personable careerist chancer. He'll see you right if you could boost him to the next stage, but otherwise forget it.
Tbf there are others on the Labour back benches whose hearts are in roughly the right place. Karl Turner (Hull East) is a decent sort, for instance. Problem is, we never hear about these people and they never get anywhere other than the back benches.
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