Labour leadership
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
mandleson endorsing chucka - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/chuka-umunna-peter-mandelson-labour-leadership. Hes been all over the media as well offering his wisdom.
The blairities and the media are absolutely blatant in their co-ordinated campaign to reinvent new-labour and set the narrative; Milliband lost because he was 'anti-business' and didn't speak the language of aspiration etc etc etc.
They are right - but not in the way they want to be. The public didn't reject labour policies. They weren't thinking "crack down on non doms! (very mild) rent controls! energy prise freeze! what crazy extremism! "
They lost because they deviated too far from the neo-liberal discourse so they they were monstered by the right wing media, the political establishment and the right of their own party - and didn't have a clear argument to face them down or a leader capable of articulating it.
As a result a large chunk of people who pay very little attention to politics went to the polling booth and thought labour = economic incompetents led by a weirdo weakling, better vote tory (or UKIP).
I cant see this going well for labour though - this is not the 1990s. There is a naked class war about to let loose on millions of people and the labour party will sit on its hands - how many votes will that win them? It won't win back voters from the greens, the SNP - or UKIP. They will be under a lot of pressure from the unions, their activists and some of their own mps as the effects of full on austerity and the dismantling of the welfare state become impossible to ignore.
I think this government will get very unpopular very quickly - but i dont think the new model, re-tread blairite/orange booky labour party will be able to capitalise on it - especially if it is at war with itself
The blairities and the media are absolutely blatant in their co-ordinated campaign to reinvent new-labour and set the narrative; Milliband lost because he was 'anti-business' and didn't speak the language of aspiration etc etc etc.
They are right - but not in the way they want to be. The public didn't reject labour policies. They weren't thinking "crack down on non doms! (very mild) rent controls! energy prise freeze! what crazy extremism! "
They lost because they deviated too far from the neo-liberal discourse so they they were monstered by the right wing media, the political establishment and the right of their own party - and didn't have a clear argument to face them down or a leader capable of articulating it.
As a result a large chunk of people who pay very little attention to politics went to the polling booth and thought labour = economic incompetents led by a weirdo weakling, better vote tory (or UKIP).
I cant see this going well for labour though - this is not the 1990s. There is a naked class war about to let loose on millions of people and the labour party will sit on its hands - how many votes will that win them? It won't win back voters from the greens, the SNP - or UKIP. They will be under a lot of pressure from the unions, their activists and some of their own mps as the effects of full on austerity and the dismantling of the welfare state become impossible to ignore.
I think this government will get very unpopular very quickly - but i dont think the new model, re-tread blairite/orange booky labour party will be able to capitalise on it - especially if it is at war with itself
maomao
普費斯
I have edited my post.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I don't see how there are enough New Labour PLP members for Umunna, Kendall and Jarvis all to get 15%. But I don't understand the process by which a single candidate from the right of the party emerges. It can't be quite as simple as being anointed by Mandy.
I think you might be right on a lot of that.
The new positioning won't win anything more from the left field, more likely lose it.
The hope will be that return of a new labour style will claw back into the right section of the vote.
The problem might end up being they appeal to neither, and shrink even more - at least under FPTP. :-/
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
The sooner they die the better . That well has been too deeply poisoned to be of any future use to anyone outside of the golden circles .
We need PR for that hope to be, erm, a hope.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
You should all join en masse for a few months and elect Jim Murphy as leader . Job done .
mauvais
on reddit or something
Even the idea that you can return to the Blairite methodology - I won't say values - forgets the small problem that, at least as I recall, he was elected in 1997 by people who thought he & his party were something other than what they turned out to be. It's not much fucking use saying let's do that again once you've already given away the plot.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I guess chuka is setting himself up as the blairite candidate in a fait accompli - getting enough gushy media coverage that the others are compelled to stand aside.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the guardian has completely opened up its site for offensive blairites
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
One thing they need is a leader who appeals to the people. Charismatic, or reliable, or some qualities which will make people like him/her. You may not like Cameron but he does look a bit like a PM. Then work out the policies around the leader. Stop thinking about ideology and start thinking about how to win. Hire a smart operator like the Aussie guy the Tories got. It doesn't matter how you win, just get it done. If you're not in power you can't do anything.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
No bald man ever got elected PM.
(I think that's right but I can't be bothered to check.)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No. Please no.
gosub
~#
he wouldn't even get as far as Supercuts in the St james centre.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
A Tory at my work from Barnsley who scabbed during the miners strike thinks he is great. Says all I need to know.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
If you enjoy opposition forever....
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Apart from Attlee, Churchill
This is the appalling school that believes that presentation is all. It's rotten.
Pasokification beckons that way
mauvais
on reddit or something
You're thinking like the Labour Party, rather than someone who aspires to being of at least some significance to somebody.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/3677991/can_bald_men_win_elections/
Again, there are instances of slap-heads beating other slap-heads: Churchill and Attlee, Salisbury and Gladstone. But I genuinely can't think of an occasion when a bald man has defeated an hairy man. Russell was pretty scant of hair, at least by his second ministry: the trouble was he hadn't got there through the ballot box. My great hero, Canning, was as bald as an egg, but he, too, got to Downing Street without being directly elected to it. That takes us as far back as 1827, and leaves me wondering whether it has happened at all.
BandWagon
Life's a bitch and then you die...
You can't be of significance to anyone if you're sat on the opposition benches.
mauvais
on reddit or something
And you can't be of any import to anyone if you are designed around style over substance, a tale told by an idiot, full of hair and soundbites, signifying nothing.
Is that want you want on your headstone? If you won't even dare, try and quite possibly fail in pursuit of something you believe in, why not just give up and get out of the way instead of wasting everyone's time?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Double-fucking-like
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