Labour leadership
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My cat only makes risotto the useless twat
Stephen, parachuted in to the safe seat of Aberavon.
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Starry Wisdom
sadly he landed safely unlike that soldier's wife
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
"We're alright!"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/after-ballot-box-bloodbath-labour-5670096
That awful woman Carole Malone, saying Labour weren't tough enough on welfare, etc.
That awful woman Carole Malone, saying Labour weren't tough enough on welfare, etc.
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tbtommyb
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'We need a labour politician whose brand of socialism doesn't involve class'Jim Murphy? JIM MURPHY?? The same Jim Murphy?
Fuck sake
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politicians whose brand of socialism is er not socialist
Stay Beautiful
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I'm trying to find any evidence of where Dan Jarvis stands on anything or whether he's had an independent thought in his life but I'm struggling?
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why?
maomao
普費斯
I don't know about that. Parliament's got a lot more pricks in it than anyone expected.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Umunna has already set out his stall I see. Labour need to focus on 'aspirational' people and stop worrying about the poor. Because the poor don't have aspirations apparently. Mandelson and Blair have chimed in with much the same bullshit.
It's clear where the wind is blowing. No more talk of taking action, even half-arsed window dressing type action, on extortionate rents or zero hour contracts; no more talk of progressive taxation. Only a mad communist would even consider such things. No, Labour needs policies like mumble mumble aspiration mumble mumble pro-business and pro-worker at the same time somehow mumble mumble which definitely won't be exactly the same as tory policies.
It's clearer than ever now why Miliband lost so badly. His entire party has only one idea, to move inexorably rightwards. The working class vote can be taken as a given, all that matters is to steal votes from the tories by imitating them as closely as copyright laws will allow. Miliband didn't lose because he had a handful of vaguely progressive policies but because he didn't have enough, those he had were all half-measures and he didn't mention most of them until a few weeks before the election.
It's clear where the wind is blowing. No more talk of taking action, even half-arsed window dressing type action, on extortionate rents or zero hour contracts; no more talk of progressive taxation. Only a mad communist would even consider such things. No, Labour needs policies like mumble mumble aspiration mumble mumble pro-business and pro-worker at the same time somehow mumble mumble which definitely won't be exactly the same as tory policies.
It's clearer than ever now why Miliband lost so badly. His entire party has only one idea, to move inexorably rightwards. The working class vote can be taken as a given, all that matters is to steal votes from the tories by imitating them as closely as copyright laws will allow. Miliband didn't lose because he had a handful of vaguely progressive policies but because he didn't have enough, those he had were all half-measures and he didn't mention most of them until a few weeks before the election.
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Ugh.
Just been chatting to my mum about the election result, who made an interesting point, namely that Labour's too focused on its urban support base and doesn't have anything to say to struggling rural communities. She said that especially in the context of Cornwall, where the Tories wiped out the Lib Dems with Labour pretty much nowhere. She reckons Labour might have done better - perhaps not to the point of winning seats, but better than it did - if it had something to say about rural public transport, affordable housing (Cornwall AFAIK has the highest disparity between wages and housing costs in the country because of the second-home problem), rural employment, and so on. Many of those issues are playing out in rural areas all over the country, but Labour just seems to assume that the countryside is true blue and there's nothing they can do about it. Which is nonsense, given the number of largely rural constituencies that had Liberal MPs until last week and which presumably contain a significant minority who don't vote Tory and might be ripe for the taking now the Lib Dems have imploded. Obviously it's not and shouldn't be the party's main priority, but I reckon she might have a point that Labour should at least start looking outside the cities and commuter belt.
gosub
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Think thats always been the case, this time not urban/rural per say. I think Labour at present is very London centric. The only Labour seat in Scotland is the most "Islingston" in Scotland. I can't see a leader elected from a London constituency turning Labour back into a national force.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
RoadKill said:
In fairness I'm from London and they had fuck all to say about affordable housing, income disparity, un (or under) employment here either.
Hmm. It is London-centric, but then British politics is London-centric full stop, and Labour has support in most of the major cities, and some not so major. If you look at a constituency map the concentrations of red aren't just in London: they're in the West Midlands, the West Yorkshire-Lancashire conurbation, south Wales and the north-east, with red splodges in cities ranging from Exeter and Brighton to Hull and York. Point is, it is largely urban areas, though, and most of the rest of the country was blue and yellow until last week, and is flat blue now.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
My cat does that, and he keeps it all for himself.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I had a boss once who was. . .let's just say he was the son of a 70s era Labour MP (no, not DH). I mentioned the IMF deal to him, and he got in a mega-huff.
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about 647 of the fuckers, only d. skinner, jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell not on the shitlist.
How easily do you think everyone can get hold of £3k? I'd be paying off that amount for about a decade, if I were lucky enough to be able to borrow it at low interest. But, as a point of principle, I agree that you do what you can for anyone who matters to you (and that includes animals).
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my money's on sunny jim callaghan. he's got experience, he won't say anything off-message and he's widely respected. not to mention few people say anything ill of him.
skyscraper101
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I reckon it'll be Chuka. He's like David Miliband mk 2 without the baggage. good on telly and articulate enough to appeal to a wide range of Britain in the same vein as Blair was able to and Ed Milibot wasn't. Can't see anyone else likely to win back govt for Labour at the moment.
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can't see anyone likely to win back govt for labour atm. and not even in five years time, unless they've a young michael foot hiding somewhere in the back.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Good choice, but I think we need to go a bit further back to get someone the dailymail would approve of
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-decency-duty--stark-contrast-todays-MPs.html
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
The problem with him is that he is endorsed both by Blair and by Mandelson.
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