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Greebo said:
If you love him so much, live here with him as a fucking useless careerist MP.

Then, and only then can you lecture me, missy!
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Its got nothing to do with loving him. its about homosexuality not being made into a stigma, you know how his mates the right wing christians want to do.
 
Any idea when Labour plan to elect the new leader?

I would give it at least 6 months to rethink and examine possible strategies if I were them.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Because it's harder for the rightwing media to play colour than it is sexuality.
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Thats all right then. You know its ordinary gay people these 'gay rumours' will damage not him. Hes got enough political.and social capital. Its not about him its about making homosexuality a stigma to attack politicians on. A bit like challenging birthers going on about obamas birth certificate isnt about thinking obama is a good guy its about challenging the idea that being black makes you viewed as a threat.
 
frogwoman said:
Its got nothing to do with loving him. its about homosexuality not being made into a stigma, you know how his mates the right wing christians want to do.
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Has she made his putative homosexuality into a stigma?
Just because killer b throws claims about smears around,doesn't mean he's not chatting shit.
 
Mandlesons defining feature is not who he chooses to fuck, its his venal mememe hey look at me i recon i am running tings on the sly blad politics
 
frogwoman said:
Spreading rumours that a person is gay in order to damage them politically is doing exactly that.
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Doesn't apply here but what do you think about when other gay people expose closeted homophobic politicians rather than just politicians who court the votes of some homophobes? I don't know if I think that it is always wrong.
 
J Ed said:
Doesn't apply here but what do you think about when other gay people expose closeted homophobic politicians rather than just politicians who court the votes of some homophobes? I don't know if I think that it is always wrong.
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Depends on the situation but this isnt whats being suggested here as far as i can see.
 
frogwoman said:
Its like when people call thatcher a bitch with a shrivelled up vagina or whatever, totally counter productive, how do young women that dont remember the thatcher years look at shit like that. im bisexual and nearly killed myself over being outed among people due to my sexuality. There is loads of actual things he has done you can get him on, gentrification, wealth creators, love of right wing christian homophobes etc etc, all of which without reference to his sexuality. Do you want to say i bet he hasnt got a correct birth certificate and therefore right to be PM as well (hint hint)? Spreading rumours someone is gay or making an issue of their sexuality to gain political capital is a cunts trick ive got no respect for people who do it.

hes a blairite wanker, and a shit MP so get him on that.
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You're personalising something that isn't personal. That's not usually a sensible move. It limits clarity.
As I've said, it's not about smearing Chuka, it's about him leaving hostages to fortune for his enemies (and fairweather friends) to use. Mandelson's blessing is a great boon in terms of getting Chuckles more contacts among the movers and shakers in the media, but it may have a price that Chuka won't like paying.
 
Belushi said:
I lived in Streatham I never heard anything about him being gay
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Were you a member of/did you have contacts in the Streatham CLP? I heard rumours because a gay former councillor I kept up a correspondence with from my time in the party, was also a CLP functionary who was incredibly pissed off at some CLP members abstaining on the selection based on rumours about Chuckles' sexuality.
 
ViolentPanda said:
You're personalising something that isn't personal. That's not usually a sensible move. It limits clarity.
As I've said, it's not about smearing Chuka, it's about him leaving hostages to fortune for his enemies (and fairweather friends) to use. Mandelson's blessing is a great boon in terms of getting Chuckles more contacts among the movers and shakers in the media, but it may have a price that Chuka won't like paying.
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No im not. Where have i personalised anything? this is my usual posting style, i havent called anyone a cunt or anything like that all i've done is pointed out why it's bad to start a rumour over someones sexuality. Just like its bad to say thatcher is an old dead bitch with a shrivveled up old vagina, it doesnt accomplish anything, is a political misjudgement thats gonna make you look a prick, and backfire massively on you. In PR terms its a total and utter disaster, and will have a lot of unintended consequences in terms of introducing the acceptableness of that sort of stuff back into the public discourse.

Oh look obamas birth certificate has a few out of place dots on it that must mean he wasnt really born in the country!!
 
frogwoman said:
No im not. Where have i personalised anything? this is my usual posting style, i havent called anyone a cunt or anything like that all i've done is pointed out why it's bad to start a rumour over someones sexuality.
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Try again. You're reading something, then reacting to it personally because of your own experiences. In other words you're personalising the subject because it chimes with your own experience.

Just like its bad to say thatcher is an old dead bitch with a shrivveled up old vagina, it doesnt accomplish anything, is a political misjudgement thats gonna make you look a prick, and backfire massively on you. In PR terms its a total and utter disaster, and will have a lot of unintended consequences in terms of introducing the acceptableness of that sort of stuff back into the public discourse.

Oh look obamas birth certificate has a few out of place dots on it that must mean he wasnt really born in the country!!
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Right, so I'm a conspiracy theorist akin with the worst scum in America because I've mentioned this? :facepalm:
 
paolo said:
I'm in his constituency. Never heard that before.

Then again nobody I know would give a shit enough to repeat such irrelevant speculation, never mind post on and on about it on a public forum.
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I made one post, everything after that has been in reply to replies to that post.
 
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