Labour leadership

[Sprocket.]

Bloody hell - this is ridiculous!

Vote for Corbyn because of the British Empire!

 

[Casually Red]

Is he a fucking lawyer ? Did somebody say that once ? How the fuck did he even get a gcse ?

 

[Wilf]

On current form, Labour are unlikely to be elected in 2020 or 2025, given the less-than-sparkling panoply of talentless opportunists and careerists in the Parliamentary ranks. Neither Cooper, Burnham nor Kendall have sufficient talent and gravitas to be anything beyond caretakers, and the likes of Umunna, Leslie or even Miliband. D promise nothing new, just the same old carefully-triangulated "neoliberalism" that Blair and Brown offered.
Could Corbyn win an election? Probably not. Is it possible he could energise the electorate more successfully than his party currently has, or the Tories have? Probably. Personally, I see an energised electorate rediscovering old solidarities as having a lot more social value than merely winning an election.

I'd agree with all that. I think there's an opportunity to build a social democratic bridgehead or, even better, some more creative approaches, all with an underlying message of at the very least stopping 30 years of redistribution towards the rich. There was a flicker of this when Miliband announced limits on the profits of the energy companies (which, of course, he failed to build on). Problem Corbyn will have is transforming a party which is still neo-liberal in all of its structures and key personnel into such a social democratic party. To have a chance of starting that project he's need unity - something the blairites have made clear won't happen. In fact I can't remember anything since the benn v healey deputy leadership that has been so bad in terms of the behaviour of the right/

 

[Favelado]

No-one could have predicted that this contest would be even mildly entertaining. We should be grateful to see just how quickly things got shouty and interesting. It's good news in political terms, but it's good soap too.

 

[agricola]

There's a war criminal on some front pages today. He let banks run riot with the economy, mortgaged our public services to PFI spivs and wanted us all eye scanned and finger printed for a massive database. He led Labour to their first defeat in a generation.

The subject of his pontification: "Credibility".

What kind of "journalism" allows this to happen?

The one with free lunches, expense accounts, being kept in the loop by spin doctors and going off on a series of junkets around the world covering summits / tours etc.

 

[two sheds]

Bloody hell - this is ridiculous!

Vote for Corbyn because of the British Empire!

I've seen a couple of threads where people were having a real go at you and I was feeling that they were somewhat harsh. In retrospect they were just trying to get you to leave a thread that you were repeatedly pissing over with vague accusations and refusal to answer questions put to you.

You make a really slimy argument. You're a proper lawyer, congratulations.

If you've got something constructive to say please say it, if not please fuck off.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is he a fucking lawyer ? Did somebody say that once ? How the fuck did he even get a gcse ?

The "someone" who said it was Diamond himself.

 

[Favelado]

He wears defendants down with inane questions in a similar manner to Colombo until they scream their guilt. It's pretty effective.

 

[rutabowa]

amazing "Twenty Twenty-Four: A Chilling Vision of Corbyn’s Britain" https://markfiddaman.wordpress.com/...ty-four-a-chilling-vision-of-corbyns-britain/

It was a cold bright day in Jeztember, and the clocks were striking, in solidarity with the MiningBots, so I didn’t know the time.

I would be late, but knew better than to curse the strike aloud. They would be listening through the telescreen. If I was overheard, the TwitterBots would go into Outrage Mode and, unquestionably, I would be vaporised.

I pulled on my state-issued socks, buckled my People’s Sandals, and left hurriedly for work. I went by foot. Private cars are forbidden and the only public transport vehicle— the People’s Fixed-Gear Bike— is shared between the 20 million inhabitants of Equalitysberg (formerly ‘London’). It will be my turn to ride in about 80, 000 years, providing the Bike isn’t on strike that day. It almost certainly will be.

 

[gimesumtruf]

Willful disregard is a fine art D.

 

[DotCommunist]

Bloody hell - this is ridiculous!

Vote for Corbyn because of the British Empire!

I've told you I'm not a three quidder.

You airily asked if honourable defeat was the british disease

I mentioned the long long record of empire in dishonourable victory and control. and was careful to point out I don't endorse such and indeed am often astonished by a fresh revelation (malayan emergency the other month. Jesus that was a bad one) but the record shows you to have been crapping out of your mouth on that one. Honourable defeat my arse. The backstab was perfected here.

Try again you crap John Grisham.

 

[Favelado]

amazing "Twenty Twenty-Four: A Chilling Vision of Corbyn’s Britain" https://markfiddaman.wordpress.com/...ty-four-a-chilling-vision-of-corbyns-britain/

ace.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'd agree with all that. I think there's an opportunity to build a social democratic bridgehead or, even better, some more creative approaches, all with an underlying message of at the very least stopping 30 years of redistribution towards the rich. There was a flicker of this when Miliband announced limits on the profits of the energy companies (which, of course, he failed to build on). Problem Corbyn will have is transforming a party which is still neo-liberal in all of its structures and key personnel into such a social democratic party.

A point I've made repeatedly on here over the past 10 or so years (usually to articul8), is that changing the structures into anything remotely democratic/a semblance of the old party structure and rules, will be hellishly difficult. Blairism removed a great deal of internal democracy, dis-empowered constituency parties massively, and centralised those powers (selection, most importantly) to committees of time-servers. If Corbyn wants to transform the party, he first needs to convince the mostly-neoliberal turkeys in the Parliamentary party to vote for Christmas, and reinstate a form of internal democracy consonant with...well, democracy.

To have a chance of starting that project he's need unity - something the blairites have made clear won't happen.

Not just "won't", but for the Blairites, can't happen. Unity around social-democratic predicates would mean the ideological death of the Progressites and their fellow-travellers.

In fact I can't remember anything since the benn v healey deputy leadership that has been so bad in terms of the behaviour of the right/

Well, Kinnock v Militant was pretty unseemly!

 

[gimesumtruf]

amazing "Twenty Twenty-Four: A Chilling Vision of Corbyn’s Britain" https://markfiddaman.wordpress.com/...ty-four-a-chilling-vision-of-corbyns-britain/

Er... slightly over the top, me thinks.
edit-oh it was supposed to be was it, doh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The one with free lunches, expense accounts, being kept in the loop by spin doctors and going off on a series of junkets around the world covering summits / tours etc.

Yep. The one where you went to the same university as the movers and shakers you interview.

 

[Diamond]

I'm going to drive this argument home again to see if any Corbyn supporters have a proper response:

First, do you think that Corbyn could ever be elected as Prime Minister of the UK; and

Second, if you do not think that is possible, what is the point of him leading the Labour party?

 

[rutabowa]

Er... slightly over the top, me thinks.

no, you really think it's over the top?

I work at the People’s Quantitative Easing Plant. Every day, we print millions in banknotes and give them to poor people, who are then immediately arrested for being too rich. As I arrived at my workstation, the telescreen was broadcasting BlairWatch: 24-hour live footage of the former Prime Minister and convicted war-criminal, pushing a boulder up a slope, with commentary from an increasingly exhausted and deranged Ant and Dec.

On the adjacent wall had been tacked a coloured poster depicting an enormous face: the face of a man of about seventy-five, with a wispy, grey beard and ruggedly handsome features. JEZ WE CAN, the caption beneath it ran.

After a few dull hours, the speakers began to blare out the National Song: a dubstep version of The Internationale by Billy Bragg, ft. Alt-J. It was lunchtime. I filed into the canteen, where I took my usual meal. My People’s Falafel Wrap was dry and tasteless, while my state-issued pear kept bursting into flames.

 

[maomao]

He has to be a troll. In the sense of someone who posts to get attention rather than for the sake of argument. Time and time again he constructs an argument from 2 or 3 words in someone else's post and responds to that instead of what has actually been said, resulting in more attention than a sensible response could possibly have got him. The example with Dot Communist's post above is just too ridiculous to take seriously.

 

[youngian]

Mandelson hires hitman to Get Crobyn!

 

[rutabowa]

He has to be a troll.

err obviously.

 

[maomao]

I'm going to drive this argument home again to see if any Corbyn supporters have a proper response:

First, do you think that Corbyn could ever be elected as Prime Minister of the UK; and

Second, if you do not think that is possible, what is the point of him leading the Labour party?

This thread is not you vs the Corbyn supporters. A wide range of people with a wide range of opinions have gone over these two questions in detail over the last 100 or so pages and not one of them owes you an answer cause you're an ignorant attention seeking cunt. Just fuck off. Please just fuck off.

 

[Belushi]

lol, Dan Hodges gets hysterical

Jeremy Corbyn is poised for victory. Across the Labour party the lights are going out. We may not see them lit again in our lifetime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-resist-the-Corbyn-regime.html?fb_ref=Default

 

[agricola]

This thread is not you vs the Corbyn supporters. A wide range of people with a wide range of opinions have gone over these two questions in detail over the last 100 or so pages and not one of them owes you an answer cause you're an ignorant attention seeking cunt. Just fuck off. Please just fuck off.

I think "drive your argument home" is how your request above is most likely to be understood by the poster concerned.

 

[two sheds]

lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-resist-the-Corbyn-regime.html?fb_ref=Default

The Free French strategy involves effectively withdrawing all support from Corbyn. MPs will not serve in his shadow cabinet, they will not observe the whip

Jesus, Corbyn as Adolf now?

 

[agricola]

Jesus, Corbyn as Adolf now?

Adolf, then Kaiser Wilhelm right at the end, and given all the mentions of the Maquis some probably see him as a little bit Gul Dukat too.

 

[killer b]

The way to stop the dickhed shitting up the thread is to not respond to his posts.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I'm going to drive this argument home again to see if any Corbyn supporters have a proper response:

First, do you think that Corbyn could ever be elected as Prime Minister of the UK; and

Second, if you do not think that is possible, what is the point of him leading the Labour party?

First: Yes.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-resist-the-Corbyn-regime.html?fb_ref=Default

That smug, bespectacled twat presenting the video half way down the page made me want to punch a hole in my laptop screen, reach in and throttle him. Even the twee little music is patronising and superior.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The way to stop the dickhed shitting up the thread is to not respond to his posts.

Oh shit. Sorry.

 

[YouSir]

Jesus, Corbyn as Adolf now?

LP amateur dramatics society, just wait til they get their costumes in