Labour leadership
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
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J Ed
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A purging of spads would be a great thing
andysays
Love and solidarity
If I say yes (or if I say no) will that in any way confirm or refute your assertion that "Corbyn will render Labour totally unelectable for the length of his stewardship and might actually lead to the destruction of the party altogether"?
If you want people to pay any attention to you and your positions, try coming up with at least some supporting arguments. I'll start the sentence for you and see if you can continue it.
"Corbyn will render Labour totally unelectable for the length of his stewardship and might actually lead to the destruction of the party altogether because..."
Which policies in particular?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I bet it's the ones that "are extremely distant from the majority of the franchise."
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Diamond has swallowed the press whole. Unelectable. Says the fuck who? there does appear to be many who disagree. Labour could never have lost scotland, according to the wisdom. Yet they did. I'm not a three quidder because I want violent revolution or nothing. But it is funny to see how the wise heads in the press, repeated uncritically by our very own conflict stone seem to think its never going to work. We aren't in predictable territory anymore. In the meantime lets all load a pipe up and have a good laugh at the guardianista set crapping their pants.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Franchise?
I think you're right. Very damaging to the Labour brand.
I think you're right. Very damaging to the Labour brand.
J Ed
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Yes, corporate brands are damaged by erratic non-compliant behaviours.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It's not a "little game", it's about attempting a coherent argument, but you apparently need to be led through the process by the hand.
Do have any figures to hand demonstrating public support or otherwise for re-nationalisation of the railways, for example?
OK - I'll just throw out a few troubling ones:
Leaving NATO
Getting rid of Trident
Ramping up public spending
Nationalisation (which, on a more technical level raises lots of EU issues around state aid and competition law)
I have different views on each of the above but there is clearly no majority public appetite for any of them.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Labour are currently unelectable. Why is more of the same going to make them electable?
We don't know if Corbyn is electable or not yet. We only know the other cunts aren't because they keep losing General Elections.
Opinion polls consistently report that a majority of people support renationalising the railways.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
utilities too I think.
OK - you folk continue to jabber away in another of your echo chambers - at some point real life catches up and it's not going to be pleasant for Labour if Corbyn gains the leadership.
If you can't see that, you must be either deluded, fanatical or locked into an extremely narrow life featuring few, if any, dissenting voices.
If you can't see that, you must be either deluded, fanatical or locked into an extremely narrow life featuring few, if any, dissenting voices.
Forever the lower class in this country have been treat like shit and for a very brief period, maybe thirty years from 1945, people had hope that things were going to change. Labour then joined the oppressers and let their supporters down by abandoning the base they had built from.
We have lived through worse times than this and still stuck two fingers up at the bastards. Those involved in this leadership contest need to find some direction and stick to it, not run in the opposite way when the bosses threaten the big stick.
The Labour Party is treading water and being pushed further out. All they need to learn is swim with the current.
We have lived through worse times than this and still stuck two fingers up at the bastards. Those involved in this leadership contest need to find some direction and stick to it, not run in the opposite way when the bosses threaten the big stick.
The Labour Party is treading water and being pushed further out. All they need to learn is swim with the current.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
LABOUR HAVE JUST LOST TWO ELECTIONS YOU DOLT.
J Ed
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And they will not win any more with Corbyn as leader!
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yeah it's really troubling bringing the railways and utilities into public ownership so we all have a stake in them, keep costs down and not stuff some non accountable greedy shareholder's wallet with cash. It's really troubling removing our ability to vapourise several hundred thousand human beings in a blink of an eye, an ability that costs a hundred billion or so, money that could be used for other crazy things like social care and ensuring people don't starve to death for having the nerve to be wheelchair bound.
J Ed
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These people saying Labour should run with a Tory manifesto can never explain to me how exactly they plan to win by basically being the Tories. If you want Tory policies you'll just vote for them anyway.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Leaving NATO perhaps. Ramping up public spending is debateable - state borrowing for investment is cheaper than using PFI to do the same job (which is what the Tories and NL have used). Not replacing Trident would correct a huge imbalance in the defence budget (though of course its unlikely that he would spend the money on larger conventional forces, but it isnt impossible).
As for nationalization, bringing back BR is something that almost every poll on the subject has shown people as being in favour of, it would be cheaper than the current mess is, and would not be illegal under EU law as long as competitors had access to the system. The nationalization of the utilities is a bit more tricky given who owns them now, though it should of course be pointed out that on every occasion that the industry wanted major investment - replacement of nuclear reactors, or the Thames super-sewer for instance - it has got the state to pay for it.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
You've contributed nothing, argued nothing and proven nothing. You're just providing wasted pixels. Try to prove your point, say something interesting or shut up.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Aside from the fact that recent, credible polling indicates public support for at least 2, possibly 3 of those 'policies' that you've suggested, many of Cameron's 'policies' could be shown to be deeply "distant from the majority of the franchise"...and he was 'electable'.
Reduction of in-work benefits, forced sale of HA housing, TTIP, privatisation of NHS etc.
J Ed
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He just regurgitates establishment 'common sense' and believes that he is confronting 'received wisdom'. It is very transparent.
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