Labour leadership

[chilango]

Tbh i think, 'good luck and everything, but...'

I think you're being a touch generous there!

I can't even get as far as "good luck" if I'm honest.

A plague on all their houses.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

you don't know what you want.

I'm sensing a lot of hostility, Pickmans. Have I upset you?

I was interested in your opinion, but also in the opinion of the entire forum.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm sensing a lot of hostility, Pickmans. Have I upset you?

no

 

[YouSir]

I'm sensing a lot of hostility, Pickmans. Have I upset you?

I was interested in your opinion, but also in the opinion of the entire forum.

He's always hostile, noticing it is a bit like noticing that the sea is wet.

 

[DotCommunist]

It's not actually the LP's fault; they were doing the same thing months ago and they are quite busy right now. It's because of voter fraud in my borough, doesn't apply to other areas. It's still annoying to be denied a vote because someone else committed fraud.

I dunno what would be the bigger crime- incompetence in vote rigging or the fall out disenfranchising me effectively. And to compound it all, the inept bastards let eric pickles have reason to come sniffing round TH. Inexcusable.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

no

FWIW, the thing with the welsh language thread the other day was supposed to be a wind-up, but it quickly became apparent that it's a much touchier subject than I had anticipated, so I bowed out as gracefully as I could.

 

[Pickman's model]

FWIW, the thing with the welsh language thread the other day was supposed to be a wind-up, but it quickly became apparent that it's a much touchier subject than I had anticipated, so I bowed out as gracefully as I could.

i wish you wouldn't carry beefs across threads.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Good question!

I am admittedly entering into the world of soothsaying here but I would wager that Corbyn would certainly not command a majority in England and Wales and would struggle further still in Scotland and Norn Iron.

Happy to be persuaded otherwise.

It's possible a Labour party led by Corbyn would lose an election against Cameron/Osbourne's tories. But it's a point of fact that the Labour party, led by Blairites, has already lost two consecutive elections against them. It's also a point of fact that Labour's current trajectory has already cost them the whole of Scotland.

To say Corbyn can't win is an obvious lie, and I've yet to see it backed up with anything resembling an argument.

You can say that you think he's unlikely to win, but for that to be relevant you'd have to explain why you think Burnham or Cooper or Comedy Option would be more likely to win than he is. None of the Corbyn-haters want to talk about this either, because they know it's a lot easier to sell the idea of Corbyn as a communist mole sent forwards in time by Krushchev than it is to sell the idea of any of the rest of them winning the public's hearts and minds. Liz Kendall couldn't even win a Liz Kendall lookalike competition ffs.

 

[SpookyFrank]

FWIW, the thing with the welsh language thread the other day was supposed to be a wind-up, but it quickly became apparent that it's a much touchier subject than I had anticipated, so I bowed out as gracefully as I could.

Generally speaking it's not that graceful to remind others of how graceful you are.

 

[Belushi]

FWIW, the thing with the welsh language thread the other day was supposed to be a wind-up, but it quickly became apparent that it's a much touchier subject than I had anticipated, so I bowed out as gracefully as I could.

Had you not encountered welsh people before

 

[Pickman's model]

Had you not encountered welsh people before

he said he found the sound of their language very funny.

 

[Santino]

He's always hostile, noticing it is a bit like noticing that the sea is wet.

Do fish notice that the sea is wet?

 

[Diamond]

It's possible a Labour party led by Corbyn would lose an election against Cameron/Osbourne's tories. But it's a point of fact that the Labour party, led by Blairites, has already lost two consecutive elections against them. It's also a point of fact that Labour's current trajectory has already cost them the whole of Scotland.

To say Corbyn can't win is an obvious lie, and I've yet to see it backed up with anything resembling an argument.

You can say that you think he's unlikely to win, but for that to be relevant you'd have to explain why you think Burnham or Cooper or Comedy Option would be more likely to win than he is. None of the Corbyn-haters want to talk about this either, because they know it's a lot easier to sell the idea of Corbyn as a communist mole sent forwards in time by Krushchev than it is to sell the idea of any of the rest of them winning the public's hearts and minds. Liz Kendall couldn't even win a Liz Kendall lookalike competition ffs.

While not disagreeing outright, there are a couple of points to flag up here.

First, the Labour party has not lost two elections (Brown, Miliband) under Blairites. That is completely wrong.

Second, no English politican from an English party will ever win back Scotland until the SNP cock up governing north of Berwick-upon-Tweed.

 

[SpookyFrank]

First, the Labour party has not lost two elections (Brown, Miliband) under Blairites. That is completely wrong.

Which part of it is wrong?

 

[Pickman's model]

While not disagreeing outright, there are a couple of points to flag up here.

First, the Labour party has not lost two elections (Brown, Miliband) under Blairites. That is completely wrong.

Second, no English politican from an English party will ever win back Scotland until the SNP cock up governing north of Berwick-upon-Tweed.

your political acumen does not surprise me.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Second, no English politican from an English party will ever win back Scotland until the SNP cock up governing north of Berwick-upon-Tweed.

Show your working please.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

he said he found the sound of their language very funny.

I'm not crossing beef, because I don't have any beef. I was just taking the piss, and people took it WAAAY worse than I thought they would. I don't find the welsh language that funny.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not crossing beef, because I don't have any beef. I was just taking the piss, and people took it WAAAY worse than I thought they would. I don't find the welsh language that funny.

not any more anyway

 

[SpookyFrank]

I was just taking the piss

Kindly take it, and yourself, elsewhere.

 

[Diamond]

Which part of it is wrong?

Brown and Miliband are not Blairites!

 

[Diamond]

your political acumen does not surprise me.

Wow - you are a tenacious little terrier, aren't you?

Yapping away across the boards, in dismal fashion...

 

[Belushi]

I'm not crossing beef, because I don't have any beef. I was just taking the piss, and people took it WAAAY worse than I thought they would. I don't find the welsh language that funny.

Good, 'cos I've got my beady welsh eye on you now bechgyn

 

[Argonia]

Even Zac Goldsmith says that Corbyn might surf the zeitgeist - assuming he doesn't flop.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...e-zeitgeist-warns-zac-goldsmith-10455102.html

 

[DotCommunist]

'capturing the zeitgeist'

uncanny, theres a new ghostbusters film comin out soon (all female team as well)

 

[SpookyFrank]

Brown and Miliband are not Blairites!

Why not? Did they oppose privatisation, support progressive taxation, call for an increased minimum wage and inrcreased protections for workers? Because I can't remember them doing any of that, or indeed opposing any of the core tenets of Blairism.

 

[Fingers]

Can someone please confirm? Do I need to do a second, third, forth preference or can I leave blank?

I really do not want to be voting for any of those three Tory lite plonks

 

[Pickman's model]

Why not? Did they oppose privatisation, support progressive taxation, call for an increased minimum wage and inrcreased protections for workers? Because I can't remember doing any of that.

did brown not indeed serve as chancellor from 1997 to 2007 under er tony blair?

 

[killer b]

Can someone please confirm? Do I need to do a second, third, forth preference or can I leave blank?

I really do not want to be voting for any of those three Tory lite plonks

you can leave them blank

 

[SpookyFrank]

did brown not indeed serve as chancellor from 1997 to 2007 under er tony blair?

I think he might have done now that you mention it.

Miliband also served under Brown as minister for polar bears and quinoa.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Can someone please confirm? Do I need to do a second, third, forth preference or can I leave blank?

I really do not want to be voting for any of those three Tory lite plonks

Won't make any difference as the seconds and thirds are only counted if your first choice candidate is eliminated, which Corbyn won't be.