Labour leadership

[teqniq]

I think with the membership he probably does have more credibility

Perhaps so, it's all the hysteria though...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Lol

Gordon Brown to speak on Labour leadership as MPs panic over Corbyn

Gordon Brown is a war criminal. Open and shut.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I don't know how much influence his last min intervention on scots indyreff had. I do know he promised a raft of new powers that never happened. I do know people in england view him as the also-ran who was in charge when the balloon went up financially worldwide

Yep. "The Pledge" aka "The Stonecold Fucking Lie".

 

[Indeliblelink]

Steve Coogan comes out for Burnham
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/14/andy-burnham-jeremy-corbyn-steve-coogan-labour

He speaks his mind and doesn’t just say what he thinks people want to hear. He wears beige zip-up jackets and vests from the market stall down the road.

 

[DotCommunist]

(a rush to theocracy as a weapon of repression

just to pick this one up, in my humble opinion that shit won't play in british politics. Tony the recusant never went so far as US pols do on the openly god bothering because it doesn't play well here. IMO. Wheras the US has the bible belt and masses of christians who actually believe, not just CofE for duty or what we might term 'culturaly christian'. They mean it.

 

[J Ed]

Steve Coogan comes out for Burnham
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/14/andy-burnham-jeremy-corbyn-steve-coogan-labour

Wow they really are rushing out all the celebs, Izzard next I imagine

 

[campanula]

No, I know that, Dottie, but the preponderance of 'morality' themes - the undeserving poor, migrant vermin, scroungers, idlers, wasters kind of chimes along with a politics based on emotions, faith, non-rational nasty stuff which is all over the US with the foaming rabidity regarding abortion for example...and not just as a religious 'sin' but as a moral failing of women in general.

 

[campanula]

Noticing something of a silence from the nitwit Brand...or am I missing something.

 

[J Ed]

No, I know that, Dottie, but the preponderance of 'morality' themes - the undeserving poor, migrant vermin, scroungers, idlers, wasters kind of chimes along with a politics based on emotions, faith, non-rational nasty stuff which is all over the US with the foaming rabidity regarding abortion for example...and not just as a religious 'sin' but as a moral failing of women in general.

You aren't wrong, US style culture wars are here to misdirect people's anger on bullshit and it's working.

 

[YouSir]

Steve Coogan comes out for Burnham
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/14/andy-burnham-jeremy-corbyn-steve-coogan-labour

Ironic really, I could see Burnham doing almost anything to be liked, give him five years and he'll be on Radio Norwich doing the night shift. Shame though, I like Steve Coogan.

 

[JimW]

There's this bit in the Coogan article:

The membership polls that everyone’s talking about have obscured other polls that haven’t had enough coverage. They have shown repeatedly that Burnham is the most popular candidate among Labour voters, the voting public in every part of the country, and among voters from all other parties. Corbyn trails far behind in fourth place. Our bearded comrade cannot and will not deliver the Labour government that this country needs from 2020.

Have we had those polls posted here and I missed them?

 

[YouSir]

There's this bit in the Coogan article:

Have we had those polls posted here and I missed them?

Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham asked their friends what they thought and the results were as you quoted. Liz Kendall didn't have any. Well, she said her best friend had had to move to another town so they couldn't meet them but they really hated Corbyn so they should be counted. Andy and Yvette didn't believe her though.

 

[Wilf]

Lol

Gordon Brown to speak on Labour leadership as MPs panic over Corbyn

"A funny thing happened on the way to Granita..."

 

[campanula]

what's the matter with these people? Can they not hear what they are saying...'arrogant and deluded'...that's us, the people in the street, you know, people who vote (but not, of course, how we are being told to do by our betters'). Surely every article, every self-serving celeb just emphasises the absolute problem at the heart of politics...that there is no longer even a pretense of adequate representation for huge swathes of the populace since those who are supposedly 'representing ' us seem to think we have no right to speak out.

 

[Pickman's model]

what's the matter with these people? Can they not hear what they are saying...'arrogant and deluded'...that's us, the people in the street, you know, people who vote (but not, of course, how we are being told to do by our betters'). Surely every article, every self-serving celeb just emphasises the absolute problem at the heart of politics...that there is no longer even a pretense of adequate representation for huge swathes of the populace since those who are supposedly 'representing ' us seem to think we have no right to speak out.

shut it and vote labour in 2020 this is no time for disunity

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[brogdale]

There's this bit in the Coogan article:

Have we had those polls posted here and I missed them?

There have been some...like this one...
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/burnham-ahead-among-labour-voters

Opinium’s first major poll of the Labour leadership contest suggests that Andy Burnham is the preferred choice among Labour voters with Liz Kendall back in fourth place. However many said they would have no reaction to any of the candidates winning, suggesting a high level of apathy from voters.

 

[treelover]

Nye will be smiling from above.

 

[treelover]

Some fans earlier.

 

[DotCommunist]

I would deffo buy a second hand cortina from Burnham. I'd walk into the showroom, cocksure negotiator. But his personable charm and shiny eyes would make me nod along as I payed cash money for a lemon and also signed up for vehicle recovery, insurance and so on.Is that who we want as labour leader? a man who could shift motors onto naifs like me? No. No it is not

 

[campanula]

jesus christ, (the new TV - am still reeling) - have just sat through 5 minutes of Liz Kendall and am even more stunned and disgusted - she has the substance of a fucking rice-cake and is barely fit to run a village fete bun stall.

 

[Argonia]

Some fans earlier.

Mark Steel and Mark Thomas; who are the other two?

 

[Favelado]

Mark Thomas - "A man who bullies receptionists" (Chris Morris)

 

[Favelado]

Isn't it Alan Titchmarsh on the left?

 

[Fingers]

Result, i am now banned from Tory Liz's Facebook page. Just wanted to know if she had any policies or any new ideas apart from not liking Corbyn.

Bit surprised really as there is far worse stuff posted and she is getting a proper tanking on there

 

[J Ed]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-most-popular-candidate-voters-all-parties

Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests.

The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition.

Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham.

When asked who would make the best prime minister, Burnham was narrowly ahead with 25%, against 24% for Corbyn, and the two men were tied on 26% on who would be the most likely to win the next general election as Labour leader.

The two female candidates, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall, were trailing the others on the majority of questions asked.

The ability to appeal to the left behind voters who have defected to UKIP will be pretty crucial

 

[YouSir]

In years to come a horseman will ride into Parliament, sweat on his brow and a tremouring voice. Tristram Hunt has been sighted off the coast of Dover with an army of Guardian readers rallied from their holidays in Provence. Back to restore, by divine right and natural order, the Ancien Regime. May just start buffing my roundhead helmet in preparation...

Tristram rested a hand on the pommel of his sword. He could afford the comfort of calmness now, he was home, at last, in sight of the great white cliffs of Dover. At the peak of which lay the crown of his expectations.

On the estates and farms, in shops and factories, branches of Waitrose and office blocks, his people awaited him. Desperate to break the shackles cast upon them by the Usurper, the thief, the rabble rouser who'd driven out their one true leader, him.

Yes, the time of his absence had been hard on them. Yoked to the plough of Corbyn, forced to dark Labours by his rabid followers who held no regard for the ancient rights of their betters. Bullied by uncouth barbarians in donkey jackets, flat caps and conspicuous by their refusal to wear a tie like they should. How could they not dream of his return? Singing the forbidden hymns in quiet moments, hidden from the heavy glare of thuggish union boot boys culled from the degenerate masses. Reciting tracts of virtue and Agas smuggled to them by the resolute exiles of Comment is Free as if the beacon of civility could keep them warm in their long, hard Autumn of discontent. Oh what triumphs would be declared! What exultations of joy would be heard when their rightful ruler delivered to them the treasures of sensible private sector involvement and true consensus government in the realm!

And to the traitors? The agitating barrow boys, reckless youths and belligerent peasantry? A swift death. For a true ruler could not be without mercy. And the ten thousand screaming Guardian readers at his back would see that their resistance would be but fleeting. Recruited from their poor exile in Provence with barely half a tonne of Quinoia and a copy of 'Unspeakable Things' to their name their blood-lust shocked even Tristram himself. Especially that of the Lady of Kendall, who by her own hands had already shed the blood of many a Corbynite whilst he himself had sought refuge in exile, alongside the Lord Chukka and his strange coterie of tabloid intriguing adherents. But their loyalty was treasured and did they not have cause enough for revenge? Was it not their investment properties that had been rent controlled? Their free schools that had been handed back to the vile masses? Necessity demanded that they be offered flesh in payment for such slights. And, as ever, justice was a ruler's duty. As was resistance.

Tristram smiled to himself. The end was nigh and things could only get better.

--

I have time on my hands, don't judge me...

 

[Fingers]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-most-popular-candidate-voters-all-parties

The ability to appeal to the left behind voters who have defected to UKIP will be pretty crucial

I came across rather a lot of lefty UKIP supporters before the election which baffled me at first but I sort of get it now. They will be back as Farage has pretty much had his day unless he pulls off some credibility in the EU referendum.

The ability to appeal to the huge numbers who did not bother to vote for anyone because it was a choice between Tory and Tory lite will also be very very crucial. There seems to be only one candidate connecting with them.

 

[YouSir]

I came across rather a lot of lefty UKIP supporters before the election which baffled me at first but I sort of get it now. They will be back as Farage has pretty much had his day unless he pulls off some credibility in the EU referendum.

The ability to appeal to the huge numbers who did not bother to vote for anyone because it was a choice between Tory and Tory lite will also be very very crucial. There seems to be only one candidate connecting with them.

Even if Farage (rhymes with Garage) does well on the referendum if Corbyn were at least acknowledging the idea of a 'Out' vote a lot of those voters would still have a more natural home to go to. Whether he will or not I'm skeptical.

 

[Fingers]

Even if Farage (rhymes with Garage) does well on the referendum if Corbyn were at least acknowledging the idea of a 'Out' vote a lot of those voters would still have a more natural home to go to. Whether he will or not I'm skeptical.

I think he has already hasn't he?