Labour leadership

[Pickman's model]

Our MP - Blairite, pro Kendall, Labour friends of Israel, representing a constituency with the largest Jewish community outside London - predominantly frum. It's no suprise that he's responded to this. He's not for me, but is reasonably well regarded in the constituency, & gets involved with a variety of local campaigns & good causes.

squeaky frum?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Pretty amusing piece from Mark Steel on the "not the likes of you" debacle, and not without its very good points, too:

Or there’s Simon Danczuk, the MP who has pledged to do all he can to overthrow Jeremy Corbyn from day one of his leadership. I wonder if publicly committing yourself to bringing down the democratically elected leader of the Labour Party could give someone a reason to believe you didn’t support the aims and values of the Labour Party?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...g-big--what-a-complete-disaster-10454504.html

 

[Diamond]

Genuine question to Corbyn supporters -

Working on the most likely basis that he will never achieve office, why support him?

Admittedly the others are rubbish...

Can the party ditch the winner asap in any event and then run a sensible contest?

(but the who the hell is viable? Such a lack of talent...)

 

[rutabowa]

Genuine question to Corbyn supporters -

Working on the most likely basis that he will never achieve office, why support him?

err why work on that basis?

 

[Pickman's model]

Genuine question to Corbyn supporters -

Working on the most likely basis that he will never achieve office, why support him?

let me stop you there. he has achieved office in 1983, '87, '92, '97, '01; '05, '10 and '15.

 

[Favelado]

Genuine question to Corbyn supporters -

Working on the most likely basis that he will never achieve office, why support him?

There's about ten really obvious answers to that even if we accept your stupid premise.

Before anyone answers this dick, let Diamond have a go himself.

 

[Diamond]

Wait a second - is not the point of a parliamentary party leader to achieve the office of prime minister?

 

[Favelado]

Rhetorical question. Ignore.

 

[Santino]

Only in the sense that the point of a gun is to kill people.

 

[killer b]

Ignore.

the most important word for posters to bear in mind when considering whether to reply to diamond.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait a second - is not the point of a parliamentary party leader to achieve the office of prime minister?

no

next

 

[Pickman's model]

Rhetorical question. Ignore.

but it isn't, in that the leader of the snp at westminster does not aspire to the post of prime minister, nor do the leaders of the dup or uup.

 

[Patteran]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-record-ivan-lewis

This guy for a start

It's a snide, cynical response from Lewis - he knows Corbyn isn't anti Semitic - he could have said so out loud & helped to reduce the nastiness that swirls round allegations like these & does have real consequences. He chose not to.

 

[Diamond]

No, but I think this is a worthwhile question - is the aim of a parliamentary party to achieve power?

And, if not, what is the aim of that parliamentary party?

 

[Diamond]

These are critical questions for Labour now.

 

[J Ed]

These are critical questions for Labour now.

I'm so glad that you are asking them otherwise without your wise intervention none would have considered them

 

[Favelado]

No, but I think this is a worthwhile question - is the aim of a parliamentary party to achieve power?

And, if not, what is the aim of that parliamentary party?

You need a dictionary not a forum.

 

[chilango]

I'm trying to think of an example where the Labour party has ousted a leader before allowing them to stand as leader in a general election, can't think of any in recent times (post war) The Tories are far keener at getting rid

John Smith.

 

[rutabowa]

These are critical questions for Labour now.

you're a critical question.

 

[Wilf]

These are critical questions for Labour now.

Or for your GCSE politics assignment?

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm so glad that you are asking them otherwise without your wise intervention none would have considered them

He is the wisest person on Urban, for he knows one thing, and that is that he knows nothing.

 

[chilango]

John Smith.

...and I'm being semi-serious.

Corbyn is getting on a bit.

Being leader will be stressful and draining.

Being leader whilst constantly having your credibility and legitimacy chipped away by relentless, niggling internal and external opponents (with more power and less scruples) even more so.

Sustained campaign of attrition and let nature take it's course I'm callously speculating on.

 

[Wilf]

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Ministerial Cars!

 

[danny la rouge]

...and I'm being semi-serious.

Corbyn is getting on a bit.

he looks fairly buff in that motorbike picture, mind. For his age, likes.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

So, I've not been keeping up with this thread, but whats the urban concensus on joining Labour to vote Corbyn? Has it had the seal of approval, or has it been slagged down hard?

(I've done it, btw - will be happy to explain my reasons if anyone wants me to...)

 

[Pickman's model]

So, I've not been keeping up with this thread, but whats the urban concensus on joining Labour to vote Corbyn? Has it had the seal of approval, or has it been slagged down hard?

(I've done it, btw - will be happy to explain my reasons if anyone wants me to...)

i'd be happy not to hear them if it's all the same to you.

 

[J Ed]

Wow, Robert Webb is a bit of a cunt

 

[danny la rouge]

Wow, Robert Webb is a bit of a cunt

Not really a surprise.

 

[Fingers]

Left-winger Jeremy Corbyn is 'first choice for Londoners'

Jeremy Corbyn is today revealed as the first choice of ordinary Londoners to lead the Labour Party — defying claims that his appeal is limited to Left-wingers and trade unionists.

An exclusive YouGov poll for the Evening Standard reveals he has more support among the London public than his nearest rivals, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper, put together.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...n-is-first-choice-for-londoners-a2633546.html

 

[Favelado]

Wow, Robert Webb is a bit of a cunt

Not surprising from someone who is a plummy sounding posh cunt.