I disagree. If he wins with the numbers he's predicted to win with, they'll suck it up.
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marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
In degrees of fuckedness, I think a narrow win over Corbyn by one of the others (probably eye lashes) would make them more fucked than a Corbyn win . Part of me thinks a Corbyn win would regenerate the party , get back a load of old members who left during the Blair era , and attract a new crew of younger members .
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yep, i agree with that. However the damage will have been done. I mean how the fuck can you publically accuse someone of anti-semitism without (so far) any real evidence and expect there to be no comeback after the election if he wins? Or publically say that you wont serve under a government led by him?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh and its effects are still being felt - the fallout from e.g. the war between the former east and west pakistans having an effect not only in bangladesh but also in east london where the bangladeshi 'community' divided by it.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Is not one of the reasons that nige did so well in the run up to the election is that there was little to choose between labout n tory and he offered an alternative? This being the case,
Corbyn will at least be offering an alternative to the torys and taking labour back towards where they belong. There must be many out there who would go for that,
Anyway, I have put my money up, joined the party to get my vote.
Corbyn will at least be offering an alternative to the torys and taking labour back towards where they belong. There must be many out there who would go for that,
Anyway, I have put my money up, joined the party to get my vote.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
labour have always offered an alternative to the tories, even though the alternative has all to often simply been another way of spelling 'tory'.
comeback from whom? If there's no substance to it then it's just noise - no-one will take it seriously in significant numbers.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
If he gets around the 50% mark I'd be very surprised if they try any overt move in the short term. They'll brief against him and try to undermine him of course but they'll play a longer game.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I mean comeback by him/his support against those in the labour party accusing him of it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Why would they? IDS lasted two years, and he was much closer politically to his opponents than Corbyn is to his.
because if Corbyn wins with 50-60% first prefs, and massive support across all parts of the party (as it currently looks like) then he clearly has a mandate to lead the party - attempting to dethrone him would result in a huge backlash from the membership.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
You should start predicting you will be right then your previous prediction will in fact be right. MaybeYeah, most of my predictions turn out to be wrong tbh
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The venom thrown around by all sides is just astonishing, while i think there will be no split, cant see him leaving at all, imo it will take a long time for labour to come back from this tbh in terms of winning an election. Its like the splits in the tories from the ousting of Thatcher onwards, while a new party wasnt formed out of it, the factional infighting and succession of leaders did the tories so much damage that they almost didnt recover from it.
Kaka Tim posted some interesting things in the other thread about the direction things might take - MPs toeing the line under fear of deselection by newly energised CLPs, and democratic input on policy decision by members (if he can push it through - and I think he'll have a mandate to do so).
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I was thinking today that one of the problems for the labour left is that the right is more willing to damage the party in order to get what they want.
The right would rather have a Tory in no 10 than Corbyn, while the left would have any labour PM over a Tory one.
This is the game Burnham is playing, positioning himself as the middle grand unity candidate so that if he doesn't win this time he may well be the next Labour party leader.
The right would rather have a Tory in no 10 than Corbyn, while the left would have any labour PM over a Tory one.
This is the game Burnham is playing, positioning himself as the middle grand unity candidate so that if he doesn't win this time he may well be the next Labour party leader.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
and possibly independent Labour candidates running against the anti- corbyn wing at the next election
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Maybe not, but there's a bit of this and a bit of that, a dancing round the issue, highlighting links with holocaust deniers. It's what media savvy politicians know they can get away with without making an outright accusation.
edit: to be perfectly honest, if I was a politician and seeking to attack/stop corbyn, it's probably just what I'd do. It's business as usual. It's also why I'm not a politician.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yes that seems likely to me. The new-Labour 'pragmatic' logic relies on them keeping all their safe seats while offering the people there nothing. At some point an alternative on the left is going to stick - it doesn't ever look like being any of the various groups of paper-sellers but a Corbyn-style platform could (possibly) do it IMO, in the event they kick him out.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I read that and it's interesting speculation about how things might go, but at the moment CLPs don't have the ability to deselect, however reenergised they might be - it will require a change in party rules, as will the other aspect of democratic policy making by members.
I don't know (maybe somebody else will be able to clarify) exactly who within the party has the power to change those rules - is it the leader alone, is it the PLP or is it the members by some means or other?
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I'm trying to think of an example where the Labour party has ousted a leader before allowing them to stand as leader in a general election, can't think of any in recent times (post war) The Tories are far keener at getting rid
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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Corbyn is explicitly standing on a platform of increased democratic accountability and ending automatic reselection - if he wins by a landslide, the party will struggle to justify going against these changes.
There's also the boundary changes the tories are certain to push through this parliament, which will result in a new selection process across a huge number of seats anyway... I wouldn't fancy the chances of any MPs who've been caught plotting with a CLP full of new members brought to the party by Corbyn...
There's also the boundary changes the tories are certain to push through this parliament, which will result in a new selection process across a huge number of seats anyway... I wouldn't fancy the chances of any MPs who've been caught plotting with a CLP full of new members brought to the party by Corbyn...
everyone should just have listened to me at the start of the thread.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Our MP - Blairite, pro Kendall, Labour friends of Israel, representing a constituency with the largest Jewish community outside London - predominantly frum. It's no suprise that he's responded to this. He's not for me, but is reasonably well regarded in the constituency, & gets involved with a variety of local campaigns & good causes.
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